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Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:50 pm to HellRaisingDawg
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:50 pm to HellRaisingDawg
In fairness, Ren was pretty jacked up physically by taking a bowcaster bolt to the abdomen immediately following the confrontation with his dad on the bridge, and emotionally, he wasn't faring much better, so I imagine his lightsaber technique has had better days. They went to considerable effort to show just how more powerful than a standard blaster Chewie's bowcaster really was.
Also, Finn pretty much gets credit for finding the power switch on Luke's lightsaber. Beyond that, he gets it handed to him whenever he picks it up- Even by the Stormtrooper with the vibro-baton.
Also, Finn pretty much gets credit for finding the power switch on Luke's lightsaber. Beyond that, he gets it handed to him whenever he picks it up- Even by the Stormtrooper with the vibro-baton.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:02 pm to VoxDawg
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Also, Finn pretty much gets credit for finding the power switch on Luke's lightsaber. Beyond that, he gets it handed to him whenever he picks it up- Even by the Stormtrooper with the vibro-baton.
Except when Finn holds his own against Kylo Ren. Abdomen shot or not, frick that shite. I know Ren isn't on the level of Vader, but you have made the character look extremely weak. Not good.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:23 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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I know Ren isn't on the level of Vader, but you have made the character look extremely weak. Not good.
But isn't that the point? He's conflicted, emotionally distressed and he just killed his own father. Not because he wanted to kill him, but rather because he felt it would punch his ticket to gain admission to an exclusive club of Sith Lords, of which his quite-emo, tempestuous and much-romanticized grandfather was a member.
Look at his perspective on his journey, while talking to Snoke. He vowed that he wouldn't be seduced by the Light. I can't believe that more people haven't keyed in on this. This kid is more fricked up than a football bat since he sees himself as being rooted in the Dark Side to the point that he would have to be "seduced by the Light Side" to stray from his path.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:30 pm to VoxDawg
Also, he was severely wounded in the final showdown. Gut shot from Chewbacca's laser crossbow.
Was pretty awkward how they had him punch himself in the side every now and then to remind us he was winged and not at full strength though. I laughed out loud every time he did it.
Was pretty awkward how they had him punch himself in the side every now and then to remind us he was winged and not at full strength though. I laughed out loud every time he did it.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:38 am to Jefferson Dawg
Am I fuzzy on this or am I correct that Finn didn't really hold his own in that last duel? He eventually got his arse handed to him which is how Luke's saber ended up in the snow and then in the possession of Rey.
PS: As the series progresses - Rey = Luke; Finn = Han. They did a good job this whole time of hiding the fact that Rey was the future Jedi...most folks were convinced it was Finn since he's the one that was constantly pictured with the saber.
PS: As the series progresses - Rey = Luke; Finn = Han. They did a good job this whole time of hiding the fact that Rey was the future Jedi...most folks were convinced it was Finn since he's the one that was constantly pictured with the saber.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:59 am to S1C EM
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Am I fuzzy on this or am I correct that Finn didn't really hold his own in that last duel? He eventually got his arse handed to him which is how Luke's saber ended up in the snow and then in the possession of Rey.
This is where I'm coming from with this. Finn isn't exactly a lightsaber specialist.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:43 am to VoxDawg
I'm going to see it again soon, but I am fairly certain that, while he didn't win, Finn held his own and even put a cut on Ren.
Serious horseshite, but not enough to kill the movie. I loved the movie, and think it sets up future episodes nicely. But I won't be sad should they decide to have Finn decapitated. Storm Troopers are cannon fodder and this guy is holding his own? Get the frick out of here.
Serious horseshite, but not enough to kill the movie. I loved the movie, and think it sets up future episodes nicely. But I won't be sad should they decide to have Finn decapitated. Storm Troopers are cannon fodder and this guy is holding his own? Get the frick out of here.
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:55 am to HellRaisingDawg
Finn being able to hold his own in a lightsaber fight was also something I struggled with. I try to use the explanations that others have given such as Kylo getting shot by Chewy prior to the fight and that perhaps he was one of the stormtroopers that received training with the shock baton. The trooper he fought with it seemed to be pretty proficient with it. While it still wouldn't explain why he was able to hold his own against a sith, it helps out just enough for me to make it plausible.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:00 am to sudogs
Ren isn't Sith, though. All he qualifies for is Dark Jedi, right now, and really it's just Dark Apprentice.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:05 am to VoxDawg
Doesn't the Rule of 2 require there to be two Siths at all times? Who would be the second Sith behind Snoke? I may be mistaken on this
"The Rule of Two was a Sith philosophy mandating that only two Sith could exist at any given time"
So I guess this means that there doesnt have to be 2, just a max of 2. I stand corrected.
"The Rule of Two was a Sith philosophy mandating that only two Sith could exist at any given time"
So I guess this means that there doesnt have to be 2, just a max of 2. I stand corrected.
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:16 am to sudogs
Again though, we're not guaranteed that this is a Sith Lord situation. There's no "Darth TBA" anywhere. Not even with Snoke. He's "Supreme Leader." After the fall of the Sith Empire, the Darth designation allegedly rose as a contraction of "Dark Lord of the Sith." If it turns out that Snoke happens to be Plagueis, then the Sith are back in play.
Even Ren doesn't take a Darth title, and that's with a kid who's obsessed with his grandfather and went to the trouble of renaming himself. He chose the last name Ren in honor of the reestablishment of "The Knights of Ren" - a Dark Jedi order that we've never heard of until TFA. Obviously we'll learn more about the KoR as the story progresses.
Personally, I think that based on KR's mask choice, as well as his robes, we're going to find that he's working off of a time-worn error and that it'll be revealed as the Knights of Re(va)n. (That's a KOTOR reference for those of you who aren't playing along at home).
If LFL canonizes KOTOR by legitimizing Darth Revan, then the fanbase is going to go full-on, supernova nerdgasm.
Even Ren doesn't take a Darth title, and that's with a kid who's obsessed with his grandfather and went to the trouble of renaming himself. He chose the last name Ren in honor of the reestablishment of "The Knights of Ren" - a Dark Jedi order that we've never heard of until TFA. Obviously we'll learn more about the KoR as the story progresses.
Personally, I think that based on KR's mask choice, as well as his robes, we're going to find that he's working off of a time-worn error and that it'll be revealed as the Knights of Re(va)n. (That's a KOTOR reference for those of you who aren't playing along at home).
If LFL canonizes KOTOR by legitimizing Darth Revan, then the fanbase is going to go full-on, supernova nerdgasm.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:17 am to sudogs
Sounds like Ren will be a Sith very soon. Evil Papa Smurf called him back to "complete his training". Maybe the 2 can include a Sith in Training?
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:19 am to BranchDawg
If you count Anakin as an apprentice, AOTC had three - Sidious, Tyranus (Dooku) and Anakin/pre-Vader. Invariably, it played out that one of them soon died, but it's usually the nature of the Sith Master to line up a couple of apprentices and let Darwinism take over.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:22 am to sudogs
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Doesn't the Rule of 2 require there to be two Siths at all times? Who would be the second Sith behind Snoke? I may be mistaken on this
It definitely isn't Kylo.
I think people are missing the point that Kylo is not nearly as well-trained or refined as they think he is. We're all thinking back to the first appearance of Vader and he was, well...Vader...from the moment he was introduced to us. Kylo is still very early in the process. His saber his "homemade" and very rough. As is his training. He's obviously powerful and has control over a good bit of his force abilities, but far less control over his emotions which hurts him.
Also, we're assuming that Stormtroopers are just random dudes in armor (and largely, they are), but my guess is becoming a trooper does require a decent amount of combat training. Clearly the trooper carrying the vibro-baton was better trained in melee combat and this makes sense because the whole purpose behind the baton was to give troopers the ability to combat Jedi when they were on the rise as the baton couldn't be cut by a light saber. Finn was also a member of Captain Phasma's squad of troopers who are supposedly a more "elite" force.
And yes, Finn got a cut in on Kylo, but other than that, he just managed to hold the saber up and keep from getting decapitated. I wouldn't call that holding his own necessarily.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:33 am to VoxDawg
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Personally, I think that based on KR's mask choice, as well as his robes, we're going to find that he's working off of a time-worn error and that it'll be revealed as the Knights of Re(va)n.
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If LFL canonizes KOTOR by legitimizing Darth Revan
This is an interesting theory. I think it's clear that Kylo is going to be "transformed". Only question is, into what/whom?
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:36 am to S1C EM
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Finn was also a member of Captain Phasma's squad of troopers who are supposedly a more "elite" force.
He was just transferred to Phasma's corps through the course of the film. This was because he wasn't cutting it and was scheduled for reprogramming. Spot on about the melee-trained troopers, though. There's a longstanding tradition of vibro-axes/batons/staves, etc. which are said to be made of cortosis ore - a mineral that is found to be impervious to lightsaber blades. (I don't know why you wouldn't make a full set of armor out of it, but they didn't ask me).
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:38 am to S1C EM
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Finn was also a member of Captain Phasma's squad of troopers who are supposedly a more "elite" force.
Is Phasma the 7 foot tall silver female stormtrooper?
I'm wondering if there's a reason beyond political correctness that they made this character a chick. I bet that when we learn more of Fin's back story in the next episode that there'll be some kind of family connection between the two. Mother son, Aunt nephew, or something.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:41 am to VoxDawg
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If LFL canonizes KOTOR by legitimizing Darth Revan, then the fanbase is going to go full-on, supernova nerdgasm.
Nerd poetry!!
Well done.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:06 am to Jefferson Dawg
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