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re: OT: Phil Robertson Canned
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:12 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:12 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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I already admitted being an idiot, my b
Sorry, I was just responding as I was reading. I saw your retraction after the fact. My b.
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I agree but like I said, he had to know the response.
I understand. You're right. Truth is, though, I don't really think he cares. He wasn't gonna lie, regardless of the outcome. I can respect that.
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I choose to just lie to everyone
You and everyone else!
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Posted on 12/20/13 at 12:31 am to Leghumper
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his gomer act is bullshite.
Gomer act? What the frick are you talking about?
I don't ever recall Phil saying "Shazam!", "G-o-l-l-y", "Sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise!", and "shame, shame, shame!" even once on the show.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 5:26 am to Dawgs9
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To hell with A&E I hope no one turns to that station again. Phil's family should tell A&E to go frick themselves.
Liberals fight the very things they stand for and don't even know it. They are pathetic litte creatures.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 6:38 am to adawgj
Canned for exercising his right to free speech? Ridiculous. People getting bent out of shape that a millionaire duck call maker loses his side job? More ridiculous.
Children will go to bed hungry tonight while we whine about the injustices brought upon the Duck Dynasty crew. Strange times.
Children will go to bed hungry tonight while we whine about the injustices brought upon the Duck Dynasty crew. Strange times.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 6:53 am to FinleyStreet
ETA: The problem with the country now is everyone is so wound up worried about offending someone. The country would do much better to just live their lives not giving a single frick what someone thinks of them or their beliefs. We all are too busy worrying about pissing someone off to just live our lives and enjoy the time we have. Our problem is we have too many "Heros" that want to take action and protect all these poor poor people in the world. Gays Jews Muslims Whites Blacks Latin... Dont need a hero they just need to be allowed to live. Only people who give a frick about and try to take up arms against"oppression" these days are white middle to upper class. You think a black man cares what Some white celebrity thinks about their cause Nope
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 7:03 am
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:03 am to Sanford&MunSon
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freedom of speech being attacked.
This probably pissed me off the most about the whole thing. Phil's freedom of speech was not attacked or infringed upon.
I respectfully disagree. Whenever anyone tries to control another persons speech, you are infringing upon their right to free speech. A&E, and the LGBT community are trying to control what other people think and say. He was asked in the course of an interview his opinion and he gave it. Because he gave his honest opinion (Whether you agree with it or not) he was suspended.
That said, I don't watch the show, and think it is little more than drivel. (I HAVE seen one show)
I hate reality TV.
Now, that is my honest opinion. If I were suspended from my job for saying that, would it be infringing upon my rights?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:20 am to S1C EM
His comments were full of hatred and bigotry:
However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other."
However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other."
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:24 am to DawgsLife
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Whenever anyone tries to control another persons speech, you are infringing upon their right to free speech. A&E, and the LGBT community are trying to control what other people think and say.
But that isn't what "freedom of speech" in the constitution means. No one has the freedom to say whatever they want and their employer not get pissed off. They have freedom from the government punishing them. Is this really that complicated to figure out?
As a conservative that loves the private sector I support the fact that a private employer can do whatever the hell they want in this regard, even though I personally wouldn't have done what A&E did.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:27 am to FinleyStreet
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Canned for exercising his right to free speech? Ridiculous.
Then why was he canned? Explain to us how he was canned after saying something, but he was NOT canned for what he said.
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People getting bent out of shape that a millionaire duck call maker loses his side job? More ridiculous.
And if he were poor and lost his side job...is that ridiculous? is it only acceptable for rich people to be fired? Isn't that class warfare? His net worth is not the issue. It is wrong for ANYONE to be fired for saying their opinion.
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Children will go to bed hungry tonight while we whine about the injustices brought upon the Duck Dynasty crew. Strange times.
I have seen people say this from time to time...but I have never had one of them say they knew of anyone that went to bed hungry. Do you personally know of someone? I know in the area I live people go to churches and shelter and are given food if they ask.
However, point taken about Duck Dynasty. I could care less about DD or any other Reality TV. What I find strange is people that care about Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus and Justin Beiber while there are people out there hurting. When is the last time you bought a $50 ticket to a football game or concert? When is the last time you served the homeless at a shelter? Be careful before you point your finger at other people.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:31 am to DawgsLife
DawgsLife, I understand your concern over the PC police mentality. It's completely valid, but I think you are misunderstanding what "freedom of speech" means in regards to the constitution. If Phil was getting locked up or fined by the government, etc. that would be a violation.
The first amendment doesn't guarantee that you will keep a private sector job if you say something that your boss doesn't like, nor should it. That would be the absolute epitome of huge government if it did.
"Free speech" in a constitutional sense has absolutely zero to do with this case.
The first amendment doesn't guarantee that you will keep a private sector job if you say something that your boss doesn't like, nor should it. That would be the absolute epitome of huge government if it did.
"Free speech" in a constitutional sense has absolutely zero to do with this case.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:32 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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But that isn't what "freedom of speech" in the constitution means. No one has the freedom to say whatever they want and their employer not get pissed off. They have freedom from the government punishing them. Is this really that complicated to figure out?
You are correct...and sometimes I get carried away. I just don't like it when people try to control others speech. A&E would not have done anything had it not been for the LGBT community getting riled up. They want to control others speech. They want to force acceptance to their lifestyle. If they want acceptance, this is NOT the way to get it.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:34 am to DawgsLife
Completely agree there 
The beautiful thing about America is now the free market is probably going to kick A&E's arse. If the show is cancelled the Duck Dynasty guys will be just as successful as ever (they'll wind up on tv somewhere) while A&E will flounder and face boycotts.
The beautiful thing about America is now the free market is probably going to kick A&E's arse. If the show is cancelled the Duck Dynasty guys will be just as successful as ever (they'll wind up on tv somewhere) while A&E will flounder and face boycotts.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 7:36 am
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:36 am to DawgsLife
He had the right to speak his mind and he did. The 1st amendment protects you from criminal prosecution by the government for free speech and such. Is he being hurried off to jail? No. He has a contract with a company and they chose to make a business decision. They have that right.
When you work for others you are usually held to their standards and they reserve the right to fire you for a variety of reasons, particularly if they feel that you may be jeopardizing their brand. However, I really think that this is just a precautionary measure to protect against backlash.
When you work for others you are usually held to their standards and they reserve the right to fire you for a variety of reasons, particularly if they feel that you may be jeopardizing their brand. However, I really think that this is just a precautionary measure to protect against backlash.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:38 am to Dawg in Beaumont
I understand what you are saying...but he was canned for exercising his right to free speech, was he not?
I am aggravated with A&E and the LGBT community for what has happened more than the government. I am not saying the government caused this. But he has a right to free speech, right? He was exercising his right to that, right? He was canned for doing so, right? I am not saying he is protected from any kind of retribution. I am saying it is wrong for them to fire him, (or actually, I believe they suspended him) for giving his opinion.
Crap. I can't even believe i am defending him. I really don't care for the show. I think it shows the entire south in an unflattering light. You can throw "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo' in on that, too. I am offended by the stereotypes they portray...however, I am NOT trying to get nay of them fired or suspended because of this.
I am aggravated with A&E and the LGBT community for what has happened more than the government. I am not saying the government caused this. But he has a right to free speech, right? He was exercising his right to that, right? He was canned for doing so, right? I am not saying he is protected from any kind of retribution. I am saying it is wrong for them to fire him, (or actually, I believe they suspended him) for giving his opinion.
Crap. I can't even believe i am defending him. I really don't care for the show. I think it shows the entire south in an unflattering light. You can throw "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo' in on that, too. I am offended by the stereotypes they portray...however, I am NOT trying to get nay of them fired or suspended because of this.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:40 am to Sanford&MunSon
Again....I never said the government was hauling him off to jail for his opinion. I simply said it is wrong for anyone to be fired for giving their opinion. Shows like this should ignore it and allow the free market to work. If peoiple are offended by what he said and stop watching, then the show will be off the air,
Honestly. How many gays and/or lesbians do you think watch Duck Dynasty, anyway? I would be shocked if it were a large number.
Honestly. How many gays and/or lesbians do you think watch Duck Dynasty, anyway? I would be shocked if it were a large number.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:42 am to DawgsLife
Ok, if you're saying he was fired for exercising a free speech right, in the technical sense I suppose you are definitely right. It's just important to note that his free speech rights weren't infringed upon a bit.
I think what most of the people that are arguing my side think is that the term "free speech" here is irrelevant to this case. He was fired for what he said, free speech didn't really play a factor either way.
Using this very strict definition of "fired for exercising free speech rights" if I go up to my boss and call him a "scum sucking Mets fan" I would also be fired for exercising my free speech rights I suppose.
I think what most of the people that are arguing my side think is that the term "free speech" here is irrelevant to this case. He was fired for what he said, free speech didn't really play a factor either way.
Using this very strict definition of "fired for exercising free speech rights" if I go up to my boss and call him a "scum sucking Mets fan" I would also be fired for exercising my free speech rights I suppose.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:43 am to DawgsLife
Gotta go guys! As always...no problem with your differing opinions! That's what I come here for. Enjoyed talking to you. My dad had serious surgery awhile back and he and my mom are elderly. I have to go take care of them on Fridays....IF I get a chance, I will check back in to see your responses. I try to always listen to others opinions and give them consideration. That's how I learn!
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:45 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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his free speech rights weren't infringed upon a bit.
Not from a legal aspect, no. You are correct.
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call him a "scum sucking Mets fan" I would also be fired for exercising my free speech rights I suppose.
And you would be perfectly right in saying this!
Have a good day, guys! I'll try to check back later...and certainly tomorrow!
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:47 am to DawgsLife
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How many gays watch this show?
I agree with this.
All I'm saying is that free speech is an illusion anyways. I work in the medical field and I'm not allowed to misrepresent my employers in any manner unless I want to lose my job. This even includes making what they may deem to be inappropriate comments that are recorded and can be recalled.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:51 am to FooManChoo
I think it is bullshite.
Last time I check The United Stated is a free country and we are suppose to live by the 10 commandments.
We have the freedom of speech. Our new great leader
... is trying to make our country into a dictatorship and make every one do and believe everything they do.
frick our government and our leader. Stand up for our country and Phil Robertson.
Last time I check The United Stated is a free country and we are suppose to live by the 10 commandments.
We have the freedom of speech. Our new great leader
... is trying to make our country into a dictatorship and make every one do and believe everything they do. frick our government and our leader. Stand up for our country and Phil Robertson.
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