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re: Is Tennessee going to be that good?
Posted on 5/15/16 at 6:32 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 5/15/16 at 6:32 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Can you name an active SEC coach, besides Saban, with a better winning percentage?
CMR was/is a very good recruiter. Mamas love him. But he's not necessarily a guy who can coach players up and get them to believe that they are better than they actually are. That to me is what makes a HC great or not. I think there are several SEC coaches who could have had similar records given the talent that CMR has had at UGA. Yes he can bring 'em in, but he couldn't necessarily coach 'em up as a team.
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Posted on 5/15/16 at 3:15 pm to Cobb Dawg
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CMR was/is a very good recruiter. Mamas love him. But he's not necessarily a guy who can coach players up and get them to believe that they are better than they actually are. That to me is what makes a HC great or not. I think there are several SEC coaches who could have had similar records given the talent that CMR has had at UGA. Yes he can bring 'em in, but he couldn't necessarily coach 'em up as a team.
I see your point and do not necessarily disagree. However, a point could be made that Saban could not make players play above their talents/abilities. I mean, he has had 7 straight years of #1 classes. If they played above their abilities they would probably have 2-3 more titles....and Ole Miss would not be able to beat them and Arkansas could not stay on the same field with Alabama.
However, I also think you are correct that Richt got out of his players what was expected but not more....and in some cases did not get out of his players as much as what was expected.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 3:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I wish Vince had never procreated
I can fully appreciate and understand your sentiment!
Funny thing for me, is I hated Dooley's style of coaching when he was our coach. I wanted fewer running plays and more passing. Now, I feel just the opposite and really enjoy wearing a defense down with a grind out running game.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 3:22 pm to WhopperDawg
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If folks want to anoint him anew, head to 95 and go south. He will welcome you to wash his feet with the fragrant oils.
And therein lies the real reason why you didn't like him. It always comes out.
So, you deny that we would have won in 2012 had Saban not been coaching in the SEC? I mean, that is what I said, right?
Posted on 5/15/16 at 3:24 pm to WhopperDawg
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Gimme a break, LSU, Florida and Bama won multiple NCs during Richt's tenure and Auburn one even when the table was perfectly set for him multiple times.
And how does this address this?:
Shoot, if Richt was not coaching at the same time Saban is, he would have had a National Championship in 2012 and perhaps another year and this whole conversation would not be happening.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 8:22 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I wish Vince had never procreated
DD is a great man and a did his hometown proud while HC at UT.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:09 pm to Cobb Dawg
DD can have his wiener bitten off by a pony and bleed to death in front of his children
Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:02 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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DD can have his wiener bitten off by a pony and bleed to death in front of his children
Ouch! Don't ever let Barbara Dooley hear you say that. She's fiercely protective of her boy and might do some wiener biting herself.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 5:37 am to Cobb Dawg
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Don't ever let Barbara Dooley hear you say that. She's fiercely protective of her boy
Wow...that's an understatement. When Derek was receiving heat from Tennessee fans I heard her on the radio being interviewed. She was not being tactful at all. She was balsting with both barrels....even compared his first year or two record against Jimbo Fischer, insinuating Derek was as good as Jimbo.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:13 am to DawgsLife
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His failure was not being able to win a National Championship.
I disagree - and this is the line the national press has used to make UGA fans sound unreasonable and crazy for cutting CMR. Or the whole "...averaged 10 wins a year" line.
IMO...the reason CMR was fired is that we only won the east twice in the last 10 seasons...and subsequently lost those two games. Also during this same time we could count on a couple of total flops every year. Be it a blow out, a pooch kick or a QB switch against FL...you knew it was coming...
Sorry to beat a dead horse but it's not accurate to say CMR was fired because he couldn't deliver a NC
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:00 am to SquatchDawg
I agree. CMR had two nails. 1) He failed to win the East recently in spite of the fact that it was probably the weakest it's been since the league was split. Losing games like we did to TN certainly didn't help. 2) SOS resigned and McGarity knew that it might be now or never to get Kirby. Dead horse, I know. But facts is facts. I actually think everyone's happy now and I certainly wish CMR all of the best. I think he gave us everything that he had to give.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:27 am to Cobb Dawg
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McGarity knew that it might be now or never to get Kirby.
I really wonder if Kirby's availability was the determining factor in firing Richt or if the administration had already made up their minds midway thru the year. It's interesting to think about what would've happened if Kirby wasn't available...would CMR been granted one last year to win the East or bust, would we have put the full court press on Hermann or someone else with a spread background? We'll never know but I agree I think everyone is comfortably aboard the Kirby train and is excited about what he's done thus far.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:33 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You can't compare what Jones did in other conferences to what Richt did in the SEC.
Why not? SEC teams play SEC teams, MAC teams play MAC teams, Big East teams play Big East teams.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:35 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Can you name an active SEC coach, besides Saban, with a better winning percentage?
Les Miles, the LSU head coach.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:05 pm to RD Dawg
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It's completely absurd to even compare the 1sr 5 years of each.
Comparing how coaches did in specific time periods while acknowledging who they did it against is far from absurd.
If you really believe UF did NOT drop off once Spurrier left, then you are the one being absurd.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:39 pm to Red&Black
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I really wonder if Kirby's availability was the determining factor in firing Richt or if the administration had already made up their minds midway thru the year. It's interesting to think about what would've happened if Kirby wasn't available...would CMR been granted one last year to win the East or bust, would we have put the full court press on Hermann or someone else with a spread background? We'll never know but I agree I think everyone is comfortably aboard the Kirby train and is excited about what he's done thus far.
I heard two things from a source as close to a member of the former staff as anyone I know. That there was a lot more to the Richt/Pruitt disagreement and confrontation than reported. And that, coupled with SOS resigning, made the situation much more urgent than it would have been. Makes sense since I don't believe there were many who weren't surprised by the firing. But only a handful of people really know the truth. In any event, I think all parties ended up where they needed to be. CMR gave us everything he had to give and Kirby has been left in pretty decent shape.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:47 pm to djsdawg
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If you really believe UF did NOT drop off once Spurrier left, then you are the one being absurd
Yea,that Meyer guy really took them to new lows and Auburn's SECC's and MNC were just a big giant fluke.
Ok,since you continually want to move the yardstick on this arguement. Lets talk CMR vs JD after CMR's 1st five years (Im assuming you're conceding your ignorance
on CMR's 1st 5 vs JD's 1st 5)
JD vs AU,GT,UF and UT
6-14
CMR vs the same '06 to '15
26-14
JD SECE titles:0
CMR SECE titles:2
JD victores vs top 20 teams: 2
CMR victories vs top 20 teams:9
JD top 10 finishes: 1 #10
CMR TOP 10 finishes: 3 (including 2 top 5's)
And lastly and for the THIRD fricking time,exactly how many schools were knocking down JD's door to coach again after he was canned?And how did CMR get a job offer so quick if JD and himself were remotely comparable as HC's?
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:13 pm to RD Dawg
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Yea,that Meyer guy really took them to new lows
I have clearly been talking about UF 2002-2005. UF didnt go back to Spurrier level until 2006 and it only lasted until 2009.
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Auburn's SECC's and MNC were just a big giant fluke.
Most would agree.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 12:06 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:50 pm to RD Dawg
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Lets talk CMR vs JD after CMR's 1st five years
Already made a post on this and you ignored it, so here it is............
Here is some no cherry picking analysis:
Winning % / rank 97-00: 72.9% / 12th
Winning % / rank 06-15: 71.2% / 12th
+ Zero sec championships and a ton of underachievement.
Any reasonable person should be able to recognize the strong similarities between these time periods. Are you one of them?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:58 pm to djsdawg
Can you name another program with as many average players who become NFL greats as UGA? Most measure busts, we measure guys you never heard of becoming NFL sack leaders....
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