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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:50 pm to S1C EM
In his defense, his wife makes a great sandwich!
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:52 pm to DawgsLife
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I knew you guys have been picking up some top talent along the DL the last few years. What caught me off guard was the tackling on some of the plays. There were times when your guys looked really, really bad. I chalk it up to youth and inexperience. Stuff that improves and can be corrected.
As soon as Kirkland became the full time starter at MLB, the defense stepped up. That kid is damn good. I still think we started Jumper early on because his parents donate a buttload of money.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:54 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Jumper
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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As soon as Kirkland became the full time starter at MLB, the defense stepped up. That kid is damn good. I still think we started Jumper early on because his parents donate a buttload of money.
I used to work with one of your Linebackers brothers. Cortez McDaniel, I believe? He is second string, I think. His brother is a good, kid. If he has the same character, you guys have a good one!
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:17 pm to DawgsLife
McDowell, he's been a solid ST contributer. He was a 4* Safety in HS, but he's been moved to LB because we're loaded at Safety.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:46 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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McDowell, he's been a solid ST contributer. He was a 4* Safety in HS, but he's been moved to LB because we're loaded at Safety.
His brother is really good, young kid. For a young guy, he was very polite and had an excellent work ethic. Really liked him.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:13 pm to WG_Dawg
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mean there is not any metric you could want to use that would put butch on the same plane as richt as coache
Isnt it all relative? Yes, it is. In common sense terms, That means the conference titles are more relevant than rankings and overall wins in such a comparison. Looking at that, Butch jones has won twice as many conference titles as richt has. Its far from the landslide you claim it is.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:21 pm to djsdawg
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Isnt it all relative? Yes, it is. In common sense terms, That means the conference titles are more relevant than rankings and overall wins in such a comparison. Looking at that, Butch jones has won twice as many conference titles as richt has. Its far from the landslide you claim it is.
Two words. Jim Donnan.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:27 pm to djsdawg
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Isnt it all relative? Yes, it is.
Not really.
Jim Donnan coached in 4 1AA national titles and added another semifinal appearance. Would you compare him to richt? I mean, sure it's a lower level but he's coaching against others at that same level, right?
Butch won 2 MAC titles, which are barely relevant, and didn't win a single bowl game there.
At cincy he shared 2 titles (none outright), but hey that's good right!? Well, until you consider that the 3rd best team in the league that year went 7-6. They tied again in 2012, and the 3rd best team that year finished 9-4.
So now he has a 6 year head start in the coaching world before getting to big boy football...and he has still never accomplished anything in the same neighborhood as what richt did in his first 2 or 3 years as a head coach ever...in the SEC.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
Yes, i would. Donnan is a hall of famer. He was a national champ, was sec coach of the year, and finished ranked often.
Donnan mostly had bad timing and Richt didn't early in his career. I say that because Ut and uf both fell off in 2002 after being top 5 programs for donnan. Does that really mean richt was much better, or was he simply more fortunate? Considering what happened in the "non-championship" years, i lean towards fortune.
Donnan mostly had bad timing and Richt didn't early in his career. I say that because Ut and uf both fell off in 2002 after being top 5 programs for donnan. Does that really mean richt was much better, or was he simply more fortunate? Considering what happened in the "non-championship" years, i lean towards fortune.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:57 pm to djsdawg
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Yes, i would. He is a hall of famer. He was a national champ, was sec coach of the year, and finished ranked often.
k, so if you had to have jim donnan or mark richt as coach you'd take donnan?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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Butch won 2 MAC titles, which are barely relevant, and didn't win a single bowl game there. At cincy he shared 2 titles (none outright), but hey that's good right!? Well, until you consider that the 3rd best team in the league that year went 7-6. They tied again in 2012, and the 3rd best team that year finished 9-4.
In addition to 4 conference titles, To finish ranked 3 times in 6 years at cincy and central michigan is also impressive.
Just so we can be fair, How many sec titles does richt win by pre92 rules? 02, 07, 12?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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Yes, i would. He is a hall of famer. He was a national champ, was sec coach of the year, and finished ranked often.
k, so if you had to have jim donnan or mark richt as coach you'd take donnan?
It would be a tough choice. Splitting hairs as they say. Neither were elite. They both produced similar 8-4 teams in back to back years. Who knows what happens if greene starts in 2000 instead of quincy. That decision may have cost donnan big time because the east was about to weaken in a big way, but he wasnt around to reap the benefits.
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:26 pm to djsdawg
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In addition to 4 conference titles,
in irrelevant conferences
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To finish ranked 3 times in 6 years at cincy and central michigan is also impressive.
That first champ at CMU was coming off a MAC title the previous year and a 10 win season from Brian kelly fyi. His other title at CMU included one actual, bonafide credit-is-due win at mich state..the next best win on the schedule was...ohio? Troy? Toledo maybe? Sorry I don't get fired up abotu a coach winning a league where they have to battle bowling green and ball state.
His first season at cincy was coming off a 12 win top 10 team headed by, common theme here, brian kelly. He promptly went 4-8. The next season he lost to derek dooley and didn't play a ranked team. Next season he played 2 ranked teams and lost to both, plus a loss to toledo.
You say it's a great accomplishment to be ranked at those schools, but is it really considering his predecessor did it too, and did it much better?
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Just so we can be fair, How many sec titles does richt win by pre92 rules? 02, 07, 12?
There is literally no way on earth to know that. Any guesses would be just that, a guess. So I'm not sure how that relates to the conversation.
Here's what it boils down to. You can try to compare the MAC to the SEC all you want, but the only great equalizer we have is what they've done at similar stops. Richt, Jones, and Donnan all coached at a big 6 school in the SEC east. 2 of them don't have anything to show for it, while the other did more in year 2 (as a head coach ever mind you, not just in the SEC) than the others combined.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:30 pm to djsdawg
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t would be a tough choice. Splitting hairs as they say. Neither were elite. They both produced similar 8-4 teams in back to back years.
Donnan regressed most of his tenure. 6-7 year 1, high mark of 10-2, then 9-3, then two consecutive 8-4s.
Richt trended way up early, then leveled off with a few dips here and there, but still averaged 10 wins. Let that sink in, richt averaged over a 15 year career the best win total donnan had here.
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They both produced similar 8-4 teams in back to back years
How many division titles did donnan win? SEC titles? BCS bowls? Wins over tech? Top 10 finishes?
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Who knows what happens if greene starts in 2000 instead of quincy.
Speculation, we have no idea. And it was donnan's decision not to play greene even though he had a drug addict bafoon as a QB.
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That decision may have cost donnan big time because the east was about to weaken in a big way, but he wasnt around to reap the benefits.
he wasn't around because he proved to be inadequate for the position and fired.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:02 pm to WG_Dawg
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There is literally no way on earth to know that. Any guesses would be just that, a guess. So I'm not sure how that relates to the conversation
You take final sec record in each year and the best record in the champ. These facts can be looked up. For example, Auburn and LSU would have tied for the sec in 2005.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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You can try to compare the MAC to the SEC all you want, but the only great equalizer we have is what they've done at similar stops. Jones, and Donnan all coached at a big 6 school in the SEC east. 2 of them don't have anything to show for it, while the other did more in year 2 (as a head coach ever mind you, not just in the SEC) than the others combined.
You seem to be asserting a coach cant be considered good if he only wins in a non-sec conference. Its a silly idea. Mac/1-aa teams playing mac/1-aa teams is "similar" to sec teams playing sec teams. Again, reletive.
As for time at sec schools, they arent all that "similar" for the 3 if you Consider relevent facts:
1. The difference in the shape of GTU, UT and UF of 2002-2005 and 1997-2000.
2. The state of ut in 2013, uga in 1996 and uga in 2001.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:26 pm to WG_Dawg
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Speculation, we have no idea. And it was donnan's decision not to play greene even though he had a drug addict bafoon as a QB.
But its a fair point. I doubt richt would have treated the situation any differently. He wouldnt give up on a talent like qc and start a true freshman in his place.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:28 pm to WG_Dawg
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wasn't around because he proved to be inadequate for the position and fired.
Great point. Suffered the Same fate as Richt. Donnan 97-00 was similar to richt 06-15. Always failing to live up to expectations.
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