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re: Is Tennessee going to be that good?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:30 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:30 pm to WG_Dawg
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many division titles did donnan win? SEC titles? BCS bowls? Wins over tech? Top 10 finishes?
You are ignoring the relevence of quality of competition. I already refuted this point by pointing out diff in quality of those 3 rivals.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 5:49 pm to djsdawg
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Great point. Suffered the Same fate as Richt. Donnan 97-00 was similar to richt 06-15. Always failing to live up to expectations.
Jesus,can't believe this even up for discussion.Donnan
had a losing record to GT,AU,UF and UT.Even in your cherry picked years CMR OWNED AU and GT and was 6-4
vs UT.
And don't give me this horseshite about JD somehow having bad timing because UT and GT were superior programs during '96 to '00. One of the MAIN reasons for their success was the freakin state of the art of our program.UT was kicking our arse in recruiting and GT was doing far more with their talent than JD was ever doing with his.
The guy was an embarrassment and beat a grand total of ONE top 10 team in 5 years.
CMR lands a top 20 coaching job the same year he gets fired and who exactly was offering JD a job after he was canned in Athens?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 6:02 pm to djsdawg
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already refuted this point by pointing out diff in quality of those 3 rivals.
You refuted nothing as usual.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 6:33 pm to RD Dawg
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You refuted nothing as usual.
Winning the east should in theory be easier vs weaker programs, and in this case much weaker, but feel free explaining otherwise. Hopefully you can do better than Simply calling it horse shite is an awful attempt so try again.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 6:48 pm to RD Dawg
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Even in your cherry picked years
Sorry but simply dividing a time period in half, (and thus into a before/after) based on relevent factors such as championships or quality of play is not cherry picking. I would need to select individual years from random time periods to truly pick cherries. For ex, Something like 01, 06, 09, 10, 13, 15.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 8:29 pm to djsdawg
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Winning the east should in theory be easier vs weaker programs, and in this case much weaker, but feel free explaining otherwise. Hopefully you can do better than Simply calling it horse shite is an awful attempt so try again.
Read my post again already explained and gave numbers to back it up even in his his post 2005 years and even to the most rational human (which I certainly do not consider you)It's completely absurd to even compare the 1sr 5 years of each.
Once again,who exactly was knocking down JD's door to coach after he was canned???
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:01 pm to RD Dawg
Here is some no cherry picking analysis:
Winning % rank 97-00: 72.9% / 12th
Winning % rank 06-15: 71.2% / 12th
+ Zero sec championships and a ton of underachievement.
Any reasonable person should be able to recognize the strong similarities between these time periods. Are you one of them?
Richt's alma mater status played a big role in his hiring. For donnan, Nc st wasnt hiring in 2001. Once again, timing matters.
Winning % rank 97-00: 72.9% / 12th
Winning % rank 06-15: 71.2% / 12th
+ Zero sec championships and a ton of underachievement.
Any reasonable person should be able to recognize the strong similarities between these time periods. Are you one of them?
Richt's alma mater status played a big role in his hiring. For donnan, Nc st wasnt hiring in 2001. Once again, timing matters.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 6:52 am to djsdawg
Richt's resume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones resume.
You can't compare what Jones did in other conferences to what Richt did in the SEC.
Now, I will say that Jones took Richt to the wire in his first 2 seasons with vastly inferior teams, and I think that he would have continued beating Richt now that the talent levels have evened up. But Richt's overall resume is gonna be really tough to beat, for anyone.
I understand why Georgia got rid of Richt, but he's a HOF coach.
You can't compare what Jones did in other conferences to what Richt did in the SEC.
Now, I will say that Jones took Richt to the wire in his first 2 seasons with vastly inferior teams, and I think that he would have continued beating Richt now that the talent levels have evened up. But Richt's overall resume is gonna be really tough to beat, for anyone.
I understand why Georgia got rid of Richt, but he's a HOF coach.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 9:07 am to Vols&Shaft83
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I understand why Georgia got rid of Richt, but he's a HOF coach.
what HOF?
Boca Raton?
Great Omaha?
Posted on 5/14/16 at 9:55 am to Vols&Shaft83
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I understand why Georgia got rid of Richt, but he's a HOF coach.
If you're including coordinator, perhaps. But not as a HC.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 10:07 am to Cobb Dawg
Can you name an active SEC coach, besides Saban, with a better winning percentage?
Posted on 5/14/16 at 10:15 am to Croot
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what HOF?
Boca Raton?
Great Omaha?
People never appreciate a good coach when they have or have had him. Most people do not recognize greatness when it is in front of them. He was and probably is one of the best coaches today. Very few coaches have the winning percentage Richt has. His failure was not being able to win a National Championship. But his winning percentage and body of work is every bit as good as Dooley's was. (That would be Vince.....not Derek)
To a certain degree I would have to agree with DJSDawg....timing matters. However, that same thing can be said about Bear Bryant, Nick Saban and everybody else that walks this earth. I won't hold timing against Richt any more than I would hold it against anyone else. Shoot, if Richt was not coaching at the same time Saban is, he would have had a National Championship in 2012 and perhaps another year and this whole conversation would not be happening. While timing matters, you can't hold that against a coach, or anybody else.
Another timing example is if Cam Newton had not been available for Auburn to pick up, they would not have had their National Championship in 2010. Timing.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 11:05 am to DawgsLife
Or have another SEC Champioship because we kicked Nick
Marshall out of school.
Would've been an AA corner and probably a #1 draft pick at UGA.
Marshall out of school.
Would've been an AA corner and probably a #1 draft pick at UGA.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 11:22 am to DawgsLife
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if Richt was not coaching at the same time Saban is
Gimme a break, LSU, Florida and Bama won multiple NCs during Richt's tenure and Auburn one even when the table was perfectly set for him multiple times.
If folks want to anoint him anew, head to 95 and go south. He will welcome you to wash his feet with the fragrant oils.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 11:38 am to DawgsLife
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But his winning percentage and body of work is every bit as good as Dooley's was. (That would be Vince.....not Derek)
I wish Vince had never procreated
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:06 pm to RD Dawg
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The guy was an embarrassment and beat a grand total of ONE top 10 team in 5 years.
That can't be right. 1997 Florida and 1998 LSU were both top 10 teams (both ranked 6 when UGA beat them, IIRC). Virginia was ranked 12. Not quite top 10, but that team had NFL talent all over the field.
Donnan got fired because he lost three straight to GT.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:40 pm to VADawg
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Talking final ranking there cheif and LSU sucked in '98 ended up 4-7.UVA ended up ranked 18th.Also had a record of 2-10 vs top 20 teams and UVA was the next highest ranked opponent after UF.
Partly correct but he was also 1-4 vs UT,1-4 vs UF and 2-3 vs AU. Thats 6-14 vs our biggest rivals. (Including GT)
The program was also completely out of control while he was at the helm and JD obvoiusly had huge character flaws.
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That can't be right. 1997 Florida and 1998 LSU were both top 10 teams
Talking final ranking there cheif and LSU sucked in '98 ended up 4-7.UVA ended up ranked 18th.Also had a record of 2-10 vs top 20 teams and UVA was the next highest ranked opponent after UF.
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Donnan got fired because he lost three straight to GT.
Partly correct but he was also 1-4 vs UT,1-4 vs UF and 2-3 vs AU. Thats 6-14 vs our biggest rivals. (Including GT)
The program was also completely out of control while he was at the helm and JD obvoiusly had huge character flaws.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/14/16 at 5:21 pm to RD Dawg
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Would've been an AA corner and probably a #1 draft pick at UGA
No
Posted on 5/14/16 at 5:45 pm to SICEMDAWGS11
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No
Yes and the coaching staff believed he had that ability
maybe not 1st team AA but certainly ALL SEC.
Per CMB
[link=("No question. Our initial conversations with him in recruiting was quarterback. That's what we recruited him as the whole time. Then toward the end he had a change of heart and wanted to play defense, or another position. We felt he's such a great athlete that we'd let him play whatever he wanted to play.
"I thought he was an NFL corner when he was here"
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 5/14/16 at 10:57 pm to RD Dawg
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That can't be right. 1997 Florida and 1998 LSU were both top 10 teams
Talking final ranking there cheif and LSU sucked in '98 ended up 4-7.UVA ended up ranked 18th.Also had a record of 2-10 vs top 20 teams and UVA was the next highest ranked opponent after UF.
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Donnan got fired because he lost three straight to GT.
Partly correct but he was also 1-4 vs UT,1-4 vs UF and 2-3 vs AU. Thats 6-14 vs our biggest rivals. (Including GT)
The program was also completely out of control while he was at the helm and JD obvoiusly had huge character flaws.
Yep.
Donnan knew football but could not handle D1 talent. I knew he was gone the day Cocaine Quincy Carter went off on him during a game and he continued playing him.
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