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re: I am concerned about Jacob Eason's arm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:22 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:22 am to FooManChoo
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I'd be surprised if Eason was getting most of his yards from long bombs. The goal is to move the ball down the field and there are many ways to do that.
This is true. However, the excitement we have for Eason is based on his abilities to stretch the field and get the defense to stop staking the box, right?
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Eason can throw those bombs, which opens up the playbook for him.
Which has been subject of this thread. he has not been throwing the bombs. The longest passes he has thrown has been about 35 yards or so. And they were either under thrown or very weak/wobbly. If he is unable to throw deep with authority (Not saying he can't...but maybe because something is hindering him from being able t do so) then the defenses will quit respecting his reputation and start stacking the boxes again. Nicholls did, and it proved to be disastrous. (Although, I believe we looked bad with Nicholls based on our players taking them lightly)
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Eason throwing deep can only help improve our run game as well as help our 2-minute offense (once he gets trusted with the keys); we need the ability to have explosive plays.
I agree, if he starts throwing deep and connecting.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:25 am to deeprig9
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I feel like he threw a bomb at least once a drive to keep them honest.
Problem was PI's and dropped balls.
But, the "Bombs" he threw were for 35 yards or less. hardly a bomb, as such. The dropped balls were shorter passes. Nauta was 5-10 yards, and Chigbu was 15-20 yards.
Don't get me wrong...35 yards MIGHT be enough to get them to back off, and those being under thrown might have been on purpose due to our receivers being covered and Eason wanting them to come back to the ball. It's hard to say.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:19 am to DawgsLife
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DawgsLife
If the LOS is the 15 yard line, how far would you say the kicker kicked a made field goal?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:13 am to WG_Dawg
The official amount is measured from the LOS. (For a QB) When a QB throws a pass he is given credit for how far the pass progresses from the LOS. Kickers and QB are figured differently.
However, I understand your point. He actually threw/kicked the ball further. But, even those 33 yard passes that Eason threw...if you add the 10 yard drop he still would have thrown the ball about 43 yards. Not bad for me and you, but not exactly what you would expect from a kid with a canon, either. We've all seen QB's in college throw the ball 60 yards or so, and the balls Eason threw were not strong throws.
Again, I am not saying he CAN'T throw it that far, just that he seems to be struggling to throw it that far, and wondering if his arm might either be sore or going through a dead period.
Not talking about you, WG, but some on here can't seem to watch the passes with an open mind. They simply attack anybody that would dare question anything Eason does on the field. (Not saying he has done anything wrong....so far, I've been pleased with his decision making, as a whole.)
However, I understand your point. He actually threw/kicked the ball further. But, even those 33 yard passes that Eason threw...if you add the 10 yard drop he still would have thrown the ball about 43 yards. Not bad for me and you, but not exactly what you would expect from a kid with a canon, either. We've all seen QB's in college throw the ball 60 yards or so, and the balls Eason threw were not strong throws.
Again, I am not saying he CAN'T throw it that far, just that he seems to be struggling to throw it that far, and wondering if his arm might either be sore or going through a dead period.
Not talking about you, WG, but some on here can't seem to watch the passes with an open mind. They simply attack anybody that would dare question anything Eason does on the field. (Not saying he has done anything wrong....so far, I've been pleased with his decision making, as a whole.)
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:23 am to DawgsLife
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just that he seems to be struggling to throw it that far,
This is the disconnect. We haven't seen him attempt to.
In the UNC game, if he throws any of those farther, they're out of bounds.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:27 am to Crowknowsbest
Also, he if isn't given enough time for the receivers to get deep, throwing the ball 70 yards will just over shoot the WR by 20 yds....
but hey, what a cannon
but hey, what a cannon
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:36 am to Crowknowsbest
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This is the disconnect. We haven't seen him attempt to.
While true, we HAVE seen him attempt a 35 yard pass and he underthrew it....twice. But, maybe what you are saying is more to the point. Could his arm be bothering him, and the coaches are protecting him by NOT throwing farther?
Or it could simply be that the coaches don't believe that we have any receivers that are fast enough. (Although I would think Brown and McKenzie are)
Or, it could be that it is just early.
I wasn't trying to start anything. I was just wondering if anybody else noticed that he seems to be struggling throwing the deep ball. Apparently very few have noticed that, or feel I am flat out wrong and he is not struggling at all. That's ok, too. I am not trying to prove anybody right or wrong. I was just wondering if it was all in my mind. My mind is a scary place to be sometimes!
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:16 am to DawgsLife
quote:Yes - and it's not necessary to throw it deep on every play to do that. Respecting his arm and playing even a few yards deeper in coverage can help give our RBs enough time to find a hole or to get to the edge.
This is true. However, the excitement we have for Eason is based on his abilities to stretch the field and get the defense to stop staking the box, right?
quote:I think "bombs" is subjective in this case. Compared to Lambert's patented 5- yard lasers, 35-yard tosses are bombs. He threw two 40-yarders in the GDay game that were spot on (see below gif for bomb one and click the link for bomb 2). He couldn't have thrown them further without overthrowing the receivers. They also look effortless and he has shown 20-30 yard passes that were on ropes to demonstrate his arm strength. You should take a look at his highlight reels from HS, too, if you haven't already. He regularly demonstrated his ability to throw it long (more than 30 yards).
Which has been subject of this thread. he has not been throwing the bombs. The longest passes he has thrown has been about 35 yards or so. And they were either under thrown or very weak/wobbly. If he is unable to throw deep with authority (Not saying he can't...but maybe because something is hindering him from being able t do so) then the defenses will quit respecting his reputation and start stacking the boxes again. Nicholls did, and it proved to be disastrous. (Although, I believe we looked bad with Nicholls based on our players taking them lightly)
I'm not concerned with his wobbly passes as that's a mechanics issue. If he improves there, those spirals should tighten up. He's done it regularly in his highlights so it's not as if he doesn't have the ability to do it. The underthrown balls may have been him adjusting to the speed and not trying to overthrow it. It comes down to timing and he's still learning it. More reps will help him there.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:31 am to FooManChoo
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I'm not concerned with his wobbly passes as that's a mechanics issue. If he improves there, those spirals should tighten up. He's done it regularly in his highlights so it's not as if he doesn't have the ability to do it. The underthrown balls may have been him adjusting to the speed and not trying to overthrow it. It comes down to timing and he's still learning it. More reps will help him there.
Completely agree. Real game time reps where the pocket collapses, and the defense is actually coming after you (and faster than you've ever seen) add extra variables that make it hard to get all of your mechanics correct at first.
He can do it all in practices and scrimmages, so it's only a matter of time and seeing enough game reps before he pulls it all together.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:53 pm to FooManChoo
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Yes - and it's not necessary to throw it deep on every play to do that.
This is true. However, he has not thrown a really good, tight pass longer than 20 yards, yet. He has throw (IIRC) 3 passes in the 30-35 yard range and all three were either short or wobbly. It wouldn't be a concern for me if it had been one or two passes with several nice ones mixed in. But every single long pass he has thrown has been off.
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He's done it regularly in his highlights so it's not as if he doesn't have the ability to do it.
I think you guys are missing my points. We all know he is capable of doing it. The point is...why isn't he doing it? Is there something wrong with his arm?
I am getting almost as frustrated with you guys as you are with me. I know he can do it. But every long pass is off. My point is not to say he can't throw the long passes and he was scouted wrong. My point is....is something wrong with his arm?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:03 pm to DawgsLife
I think it boils down to this: he's a true freshman who just started his first game. He looked sloppy on some plays and looked good on others, but he was more effective at moving the ball than Lambert. You don't disagree that he's got what it takes, so the obvious answer to why he hasn't looked like the god-man people are expecting is that he's still learning. It's been two games and he's already shown improvement. There's no cause for concern about him at this point.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:30 pm to FooManChoo
There is no doubt that Eason drives the team better than Lambert does but there have been a few ugly passes.
If Smart and Chaney can't see that Eason needs to be in charge we are in trouble.
If Smart and Chaney can't see that Eason needs to be in charge we are in trouble.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 9:36 pm to DawgsLife
Damn. This thread is now actually relevant, would not have said that 3 hours ago.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 10:13 pm to Hobnail
I think there's something to this. Why do we keep seeing this weird sidearm throwing motion?
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:26 pm to Hobnail
Yep. Numerous short arms deep throws again. Once Eason gets this figured out, he is gonna be amazing.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:01 pm to Hobnail
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Damn. This thread is now actually relevant, would not have said that 3 hours ago.
It was always relevant. just ebcause most don't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. I wasn't going to say anything or bump this. I thought the game spoke spoke for itself.
That said....on short and medium routes you could see the canon. He threw the short and medium passes with a LOT of zip. You can tell that he SHOULD be able to throw the ball deep. That makes me think that what many others said in this thread is correct. It is mechanics. Those are things that can be ironed out.
He is especially impressive with how he plays under pressure. I thought there were times he looked a little pensive....but MOST of the time he came right out and performed. THAT is key. He performs in spite of the pressure. no doubt he will be a great one.
I took a lot of flack for starting this thread, and that's ok.
I DO appreciate those (DJS, whiznot for a couple) that stepped in and said they saw the same. It would have been easy to stay silent and hide and avoid the flack. Several other of you guys didn't leave me hanging out there and it was appreciated.
Some who disagreed with me did it in a respectful way and you guys made me think, and had some very good and valid points. Thanks for keeping it civil.
Others just got rude and couldn't believe that i would say anything negative about Eason. It wasn't meant to be negative....I was merely worried he had a tired arm, or hurt arm. But hey...no big deal. We all have opinions. I just wish we could keep it civil and leave the name calling and ridicule back on the playground where it belongs.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:11 pm to DawgsLife
I think your concerns were valid. There are definitely differences in his mechanics and the quality of his deep ball passes that we have seen in the first three games versus those we saw at Gday.
I think after last night it's obvious that he has the poise and "it" factor to lead the team, and the velocity on his short and intermediate passes shows that the arm strength is there. I haven't rewatched the game, but he threw a 15 yard out near the beginning of the game that I remember immediately thinking was an NFL throw that not many college QBs can hit.
All in all, LOTS of room to improve. Lots of freshman mistakes. Needs to work on deep ball mechanics and reading through full progressions faster. BUT, he is the guy, and after what I saw yesterday, I think we are going to lose some games, but I also think 10 keeps us in some games we shouldn't be in.
I think after last night it's obvious that he has the poise and "it" factor to lead the team, and the velocity on his short and intermediate passes shows that the arm strength is there. I haven't rewatched the game, but he threw a 15 yard out near the beginning of the game that I remember immediately thinking was an NFL throw that not many college QBs can hit.
All in all, LOTS of room to improve. Lots of freshman mistakes. Needs to work on deep ball mechanics and reading through full progressions faster. BUT, he is the guy, and after what I saw yesterday, I think we are going to lose some games, but I also think 10 keeps us in some games we shouldn't be in.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:23 pm to NCDawg52
Thanks, NC!
For me the best long pass he has thrown all season was the one to Reggie Davis that was a PI. (I think it was called a PI...if not it should have been) It was a nice pass with plenty of zip.
I think some on here misunderstood what I was saying and thought I was insinuating he was not good. Nothing could have been further from the truth. I was just concerned...and I am honestly not as concerned about his arm today as I was yesterday. Now, believing it is a mechanics issue and not a physical issue...that can be fixed.
For me the best long pass he has thrown all season was the one to Reggie Davis that was a PI. (I think it was called a PI...if not it should have been) It was a nice pass with plenty of zip.
I think some on here misunderstood what I was saying and thought I was insinuating he was not good. Nothing could have been further from the truth. I was just concerned...and I am honestly not as concerned about his arm today as I was yesterday. Now, believing it is a mechanics issue and not a physical issue...that can be fixed.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:30 pm to DawgsLife
I feel the same way.
I am not a QB mechanics expert, but I wonder if it is in part affected by the weight he has put on. His body went from "skinny" to "Stafford" really fast.
I am not a QB mechanics expert, but I wonder if it is in part affected by the weight he has put on. His body went from "skinny" to "Stafford" really fast.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:42 pm to NCDawg52
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I am not a QB mechanics expert, but I wonder if it is in part affected by the weight he has put on. His body went from "skinny" to "Stafford" really fast.
Yes it did!
I'm sure the added weight might be a part of it. Or it could be just the game moving so fast for him he is rushing his throws and not getting set properly.
The coaches should be able to see it and correct it, though. With all the camera angles and slow-mo etc they have at their disposal it shouldn't be too difficult. Wouldn't surprise me if they don't already know and are working on it with him. The more the game slows down for him the easier and better he should get.
Some of the guys here said they felt he was farther along than Stafford was as a freshman, and i can see where they are coming from. I wouldn't argue against that.
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