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re: Well, it's now or never for Sumlin and A&M

Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:03 am to
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:03 am to
What we do is the most important part. I just don't really know how I feel about us
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:04 am
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:04 am to
I agree with that
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58036 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:06 am to
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We just beat the #16 team in the nation with a great finish and we're viewed almost unanimously as a program in disarray led by a man who lets the inmates run the asylum. Texas just beat the #10 team in the nation with a great finish and they are a program on the rise with a values oriented coach.


gee I wonder why that might be when people like you constantly leak all kinds of shite like Sumlin is in pictures blowing coke, he's a POS who throws kids under the bus, and he eats babies for fun while he is set to get fired w/in the week.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:08 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:11 am to
Sumlin is a POS who throws kids under the bus (among other things), but so are Meyer and Saban. The difference is they control the narrative, Sumlin mismanages things and all his dirty laundry ends up aired to the public.

All he had to do was say Kyle Allen was hurt. That's it, and we'd be a West contender this year. Instead he fumbled the snap and lost control.

You can be as angry at me as you want, but trying to blame message board posts for Sumlin's shortcomings doesn't pass anyone's bullshite test.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:12 am
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:13 am to
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That's it, and we'd be a West contender this year.


It's that easy folks

Having Allen doesn't fill the holes we have across the OL or LB. Also Allen was a decent college QB with the potential to improve but was awful under pressure in the pocket, which brings us back to the OL. He might make us one game better this year but saying he makes us a west contender is laughable revisionist history
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:21 am
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58036 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:19 am to
That is such horseshite.

Allen was telling the staff he could play and if he was too hurt to continue that's on HIM for refusing to admit he couldn't go.

Sumlin NEVER says when kids are hurt unless it's season ending and he's not going to start for a little snowflake titty baby kid who didn't pay attention on the sidelines and was already threatening to transfer when he didn't win the starting QB gig as a true freshman.

and when you sit here and say oh well the narrative is that the program is in disarray but then ignore that the reason that is out there is b/c of people like you who can't wait bash the frick out of him over every little rumor you've heard is laughable. Loose lips sink ships and you and all the Ags who flap their gums are part the loose lips sinking the ship.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:24 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:41 am to
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Having Allen doesn't fill the holes we have across the OL or LB. Also Allen was a decent college QB with the potential to improve but was awful under pressure in the pocket, which brings us back to the OL. He might make us one game better this year but saying he makes us a west contender is laughable revisionist history


Trevor Knight is awful under pressure. Josh Rosen, too.

Knight is a good guy and a team leader but an average QB at his best. Kyle Allen has an NFL arm, and prior to getting hurt against MSU was the best QB in the SEC last year by rating.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:49 am to
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Allen was telling the staff he could play and if he was too hurt to continue that's on HIM for refusing to admit he couldn't go.


Players with everything from cramps to torn knee ligaments beg to go back in. It's the coaches job to know when a player is too hurt to help his team. It's also his job to not alienate the player and ignite a desire to transfer by telling the media he was healthy and just playing bad when he knew that wasn't true.

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Sumlin NEVER says when kids are hurt unless it's season ending and he's not going to start for a little snowflake titty baby kid who didn't pay attention on the sidelines and was already threatening to transfer when he didn't win the starting QB gig as a true freshman.


He actively said Kyle Allen wasn't hurt and that he was playing poorly. He started Kyler Murray with the public understanding and believing it was because Allen was just playing badly.

In reality, Sumlin knew Murray wasn't ready and that Allen was injured.

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when you sit here and say oh well the narrative is that the program is in disarray but then ignore that the reason that is out there is b/c of people like you who can't wait bash the frick out of him over every little rumor you've heard is laughable. Loose lips sink ships and you and all the Ags who flap their gums are part the loose lips sinking the ship.


Your anger is misplaced. As I've said before, as with Fran, the stories will come out once he's gone. And like Fran, people will be ashamed they ever cheered for the guy. I've never hidden my belief that we'll be better off without him. I've also said I have no problem support a POS if he wins big. Many great coaches have lots of skeletons.

Nothing I or anyone else who knows about some if the behind the scenes stuff is to blame for his current situation though. He did it all himself. The media isn't reporting my posts on the rant, they're reporting his public failures in program management.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:52 am
Posted by Rodo
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
792 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:54 am to
This is a debate in futility. Sumlin is not the guy and won't be here long term. It may happen this year or next and all we can do is try to manage the transition.

Rodo
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 12:55 am
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
7956 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 1:57 am to
texas will lose games this year. It's pretty well documented that they were buying talent last year and that is the sole reason they "beat" us on the recruiting trail. We will do what we have to to remain competitive. Our quarterback problem was something Sumlin both never wanted to begin with and warned those above him it would not end well. Aside from that blunder, we did fine and are loaded with talent.
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
7956 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:03 am to
"Prior to getting hurt" "prior to getting hurt" man stfu with that revisionist bullshite. I've been hearing that crap for a year. same thing the year before if I recall.

Allen wasnt impressing anyone against real competition when he was perfectly fine. Our defense bailed him and Spav out series after series. Not only did he consistently crumble under pressure, but he never really fit well in our system. My personal opinion was that he didn't have the maturity to run tempo, which is critical to our offense. If we aren't running tempo, it's easy to scheme against us. Tempo is effective because it keeps teams off balance and creates mismatches, not because it's impossible to schem against.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:41 am to
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"Prior to getting hurt" "prior to getting hurt" man stfu with that revisionist bull shite. I've been hearing that crap for a year. same thing the year before if I recall.



Preach on brother. That kid was a mentally weak POS. Saw him in the corner of the hotel trying not to cry in South Carolina. Probably after losing the job to Kenny Trill. He would have transferred earlier if Kenny could have maintained himself.

Knight might not have the arm talent, but at least he's a "dude" who will put it all on the line for his teammates and not leave them in a lurch before their bowl game.


This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 7:43 am
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:04 am to
It's never.


This just lowers our competition for Herman.

Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50211 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:11 am to
Holy overreaction. Nice win sure, but this is still a Strong led team with all sorts of holes over a ND team that'll lose another 3+ games.

If anything this keeps Herman out of Austin. Long term I want Strong & 7-9 wins a year.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 8:13 am
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:19 am to
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he had to do was say Kyle Allen was hurt. That's it, and we'd be a West contender this year. Instead he fumbled the snap and lost control.



Uh, no we'd have the immature midget as our qb and Spav screwing up still
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20340 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:21 am to
Allen wasn't the guy... Agree. However, I'm not sure there was anyone we could have put on the field with an offense that could not run for a yard when we needed one. Our running game was pathetic and that was part of it.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 9:19 am to
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Texas schedule is incredibly weak. They have four games left they could realistically lose if they play like this on offense all year. Even at 8-4, Texas will crush is in February if we only win 8 ourselves.



If they play every game the way they played against ND, sure.

But if they'd played every 2015 game the way they did beating OU, they wouldn't have been 5-7 last year, either.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19202 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 9:22 am to
Man alive, y'all.
I enoyed watching a great game last night.

The team (Ags) did what it needed to do which was win. It's all they can control.

Yall will be far more content if you worry about what you can control and not sweat what you cannot.

You're acting as if we've not been recruiting against anybody. When texas was down it was OU BAYLOR and TCU if texas does well, so be it. Just worry about our goals and it will work out.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 9:22 am to
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"Prior to getting hurt" "prior to getting hurt" man stfu with that revisionist bullshite. I've been hearing that crap for a year. same thing the year before if I recall.


Through the MSU game he and Chad Kelly were the highest rated QBs in the SEC. That isn't revisionist history, it's a fact. When he injured his throwing shoulder is when the trouble started.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
2983 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 9:30 am to
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It's pretty well documented that they were buying talent last year and that is the sole reason they "beat" us on the recruiting trail.

Can you point me towards this "documentation"?
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