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re: Will Muschump destroys Auburns football program
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:16 am to MikkUGA
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:16 am to MikkUGA
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What I know is the last time Boom was DC at Auburn, UGA dismantled them 37-15 and 45-20.
But Gus wasn't on the sidelines. Boom didn't need Gus last year when he played UGA.
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:56 am to Irons Puppet
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Because if he would have been hired soon after he was given the title as CIW, he would have had a better chance to establish his program in the Big 12. At TX he could have continued building his Defense and eventually establishing an Offense (in the style of Saban). At UF he had to build up his Defense (post Meyers) at the expense of an Offense. The problem was that the SEC was trending away from playing great Defense over great Offense (hiring of Offensive minded Coaches). This trend cost Chizik any chance of success once Gus left, and why Mason will be fired after this year.
What? Meyer left an incredible amount of talent for him. The 2010 recruiting class was one of the best of all time. He rode that talent to an elite defense and 11-2 season in 2012. There was also plenty of offensive talent (you'd be shocked by how NFL talent were on those offenses). There was absolutely no reason he had to build the defense in spite of the offense.
Muschamp's problems were that he made very bad high level decisions in coaching hires and roster managements. He would have done the same thing at Texas and failed similarly. Given Texas offensive issues the last 5 years, it probably would have been worse under Boom.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:04 am to BasedGator
I thought he was a great hire for UF at the time. He just isn't ready to be a HC. That doesn't change the fact he has an outstanding D mind.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:12 am to Hugh McElroy
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Muschamp sowed a lot of discord as DC at Texas.
wait, so you're now saying Muschamp was right? Or is this history in the making... an Aggie taking sides with a teasip??? alert the press.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:14 am to BasedGator
Meyer left that program in shambles. Discipline issues that WM had to clean up and talent issues at certain positions.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:17 am to Irons Puppet
That's nonsense
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:22 am to SCwTiger
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projected to go 11-1 (losing to Arkansas), win the SEC and go to the playoffs
This is absolutely incorrect.
Auburn won't lose a game, win the SEC and win the playoffs.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:23 am to Irons Puppet
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But Gus wasn't on the sidelines. Boom didn't need Gus last year when he played UGA.
So who is the savior for aubie? I'm confused.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:25 am to Nguyening
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I'm confused.
Not surprising. It seems to be a constant theme for you.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:27 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Why is it's so hard for you 2 g that Muschump is going to ruin Auburn for the foreseeable future
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:28 am to Old Sarge
We're smarter than you
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:31 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
If that were true you would've hired Chavis
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:34 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Muschamp is as good a defensive coordinator as your gonna find. Would have loved to have him replace Chavis at LSU but Auburn went after him first and got him. Relentless recruiter, wont be outworked, and will bring toughness to the defense from day 1. I had hoped he would take the South Carolina DC job. I prefer him to be in the East. The SEC West just got much more difficult.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:41 am to Pavoloco83
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Go to bed
Leave me out of this.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:45 am to Old Sarge
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If that were true you would've hired Chavis
What does that have to do with me being smarter than you? That comment only further proves what I say to be true.
I only bring truth to the discussion. Don't be upset with me.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:49 am to BasedGator
quote:I love how the narrative changes on this website over the years.
What? Meyer left an incredible amount of talent for him.
From 2011... LINK
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This gets posted over and over and over.
What offensive talent? Please tell me which of our units you would trade for ours.
WR - nope, because we don't have a single WR that gets open consistently.
RB - nope, we have a bunch of tiny track guys and and injured Mike Gilislee.
QB - nope, Brantley is oft injured and the backups are true FR
OL - They are terrible in the new scheme for the most part
TE - nope, we don't have a true TE at the moment.
So, where is this talent that many keep mentioning that fits the pro-style offense that Boom and Charlie want to run.
In the GA game we took all of ONE snap from under center because Brantley couldn't move. WTH do you expect. Even with that we had a chance to win the game.
Losing to LSU, Bama and Auburn (on the road) should not have surprised a single person with a brain. The UG loss is the only one that really should not have happened and even that is very debatable because overall they have the better team.
So, tell me about all our talent on offense.
The D is young and very thin with regard to depth. I won't even talk about them.
Oh, and we have 67 scholarship players. Yeah, Meyer left the cupboard full.
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Meyer didn't get a great power RB during his tenure. He got one good TE. He got one great DE. He got Tebow and he got Percy. He crashed and burned at DT. He wanted speed and got it in a lot of cases.
Boom wants to run the pro-style and you need power not so much speed. The OL has sucked for two years. Is that coaching or recruiting?
You don't like Boom. That's fine. But if you can't see that we don't have the players for his system and Charlie's system then you are indeed blind. You don't want more than one or two of our starters. That's a fact. That's on both sides of the ball too.
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From the last 2 recruiting classes alone (10-11) Florida has lost 7 offensive skill players to transfer. That is ridiculous.
2007 - Pretty strong class, a lot of key contributors, players left?
Brantley, Rainey, Thompson, Moses Jenkins, Jaye Howard - so that is 5 RS seniors. But the class was dynamite and helped Florida win a title in 2008, but all those key players are now in the NFL or graduated.
2008 - 6 of the defensive players in this class transferred or were booted. This is supposed to represent the leadership of the team, but most of the RS Jrs and Srs in this class barely play. Jeff Demps is the most key person from this class on the team. Omar Hunter never really panned out, and Green and Okine are role players. Janoris Jenkins was booted, Jeremy Brown has been injured most of his career, Will Hill bailed early.
Honestly, the most productive member of this class on defense is Lerentee McCray - a former DE that was headed nowhere until Muschamp got here. The WR's recruited in this class have been totally useless to this point as well.
2009 - Small, but elite class. 7 starters right now are Jr's or RS Sophs from this class. They haven't ever done anything great though. The headliners were Jelani Jenkins, Debose, gary Brown, and Nixon. Brown was booted and the other two never lived up to the hype. Jelani Jenkins is a legit All-sec type LB - but that's about it from this class. A lot of back ups and role players round out the class.
2010 - 3 starters on the defesnive front are playing as true sophomores. A number of DB's from this class are playing. Really, this was a great class, but the talent is really young and not much is backing it up from previous classes, and as before, no WR's have emerged.
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Bottom line - UF had a ton of good classes, but through transfers, injuries, and busts, there wasn't much left by the time Florida took the field this year.
The WR's haven't been good since Harvin and Murphy left - UF may legitimately have the worst WR corp in the SEC, which I know doesn't make sense based on recruiting rankings, but by production, they have done NOTHING.
The OL looks fine for the future - but they were young and got owned a lot this year. The tackles were very weak. Nixon ended up being a bust at LT and Chaz Green is starting above a lot of older guys now at RT.
Rainey and Demps are good complimentary backs, but UF never found a physical back to complement them after Tebow left.
UF was never able to replace Aaron Hernandez at TE - and have had problems keeping them on the team since then. Reed should be good, but isn't a great blocker being a converted QB, but UF is bringing in some stud TE recruits for 2012.
Don't even get me started on QB...
The DL is young, and I imagine will be stronger next year, but again, light on depth because of all the misses at DT in the Urban Meyer era.
DE is the weakest I've seen at Florida in my lifetime.
The LB corp us underrated, and I think is stronger than we all think, but the DL gets blown up a lot so we don't see it. I think that will be a strength down the road, but depth and size is a huge issue for this defense.
The DB's are all young, but talented and I am happy about that unit moving forward, but without Brown this year, the most experienced guy worth a damn was a true sophomore. Not a good situation.
So yeah, this team was a disaster. More of a disaster than I could have predicted, and with the injuries, it's hard to blame muschamp for a lot of this.
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:52 am to joeyb147
Boom goes the dynamite
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:59 am to GeauxToBed
Auburn folks are excited about having an Auburn Graduate (Masters Degree) who has many connections back at Auburn. He has had great success as a defensive coordinator at Auburn, LSU and Texas. Our defense will improve this year and be much better in year two. They do not have to be great, we can outscore folks if necessary.
95-96 GA @ Auburn (Brother Oliver)
2001-2004 LSU (Won a BCS as DC) Saban
2005-Dolpins (One year, then left to go back to Auburn)
2006 AUBURN: When the Auburn defensive coordinator position became available in January 2006, Muschamp took the opportunity to return to the college game. In 2006, Muschamp's first season at Auburn, the defense finished seventh among NCAA Division I-FBS teams in scoring defense, allowing only 21 touchdowns.[11] In 2007, Auburn led the SEC in scoring defense and finished in the top 10 in four defensive categories (ranking 7th nationally in pass efficiency[12] and 6th nationally in total defense,[13] passing defense[14] and scoring defense[15] among NCAA Division I-FBS teams).
2008-2009 Texas (Coach in waiting). Texas lost two games during his two years there.
95-96 GA @ Auburn (Brother Oliver)
2001-2004 LSU (Won a BCS as DC) Saban
2005-Dolpins (One year, then left to go back to Auburn)
2006 AUBURN: When the Auburn defensive coordinator position became available in January 2006, Muschamp took the opportunity to return to the college game. In 2006, Muschamp's first season at Auburn, the defense finished seventh among NCAA Division I-FBS teams in scoring defense, allowing only 21 touchdowns.[11] In 2007, Auburn led the SEC in scoring defense and finished in the top 10 in four defensive categories (ranking 7th nationally in pass efficiency[12] and 6th nationally in total defense,[13] passing defense[14] and scoring defense[15] among NCAA Division I-FBS teams).
2008-2009 Texas (Coach in waiting). Texas lost two games during his two years there.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:05 am to joeyb147
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I love how the narrative changes on this website over the years.
Was thinking the same thing
Posted on 8/26/15 at 11:15 am to Old Sarge
Y'all are just mad cause y'all didn't get him and y'all tried. 
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