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re: Todd Berry says rule change proposal was all about safety
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:03 pm to jchamil
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:03 pm to jchamil
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It's actually a pretty good comparison if you will think about it objectively.
No its not at all, it you break it down. its highly flawed from the get go.
response in the other thread
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First off, the defense is allowed to sub at any time.
Second, the defense does not need to be set.
Third there is no rule or part of football that states the defense must be in play in order for the offense to play. in fact the whole point of football is dedicated to trying to catch the defense off guard.
Fourth and most important. What part of the game does the Batter play in baseball? offense of defense
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:03 pm to jchamil
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I didn't say anything about when the rule should be implemented, but, yes, I do think it should be implemented for the whole game.
Of course you are going to say this right now. Your tune would change if your team was down 7 with 1 minute left and no timeouts. At that point the mandatory 10 seconds between snaps would be the dumbest thing you've ever seen and would, most likely, cost your team a win.
This is a chicken shite move by Saban and Bert and there's really nothing else to it.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:03 pm to jchamil
quote:Not really. Baseball is relatively unique in that the defense sets the tempo and starts the play. Whereas in football, the offense controls the tempo of the game and sets the game into motion. Fundamentally they are very different sports and your analogy is weak and small minded.
It's actually a pretty good comparison if you will think about it objectively.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:05 pm to jchamil
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It's actually a pretty good comparison if you will think about it objectively.
No. It's not. Here are some key differences for starters:
1. The pitcher is ready before the batter even leaves the dugout. So yes...if the offense was, like the pitcher, already and always lined up, then obviously the offense is at a distinct advantage and the rules would need to accommodate for that. As it is now, the defense has 1 more second than the offense and can still be in motion at the snap...while the offense has to be set.
2. Actually 1. above is all that is needed to fully put this misanalogy to bed.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:07 pm to WDE24
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Baseball
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defense sets the tempo
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football
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offense controls the tempo
This is what I am getting at in the analogy. I'm glad you saw it even though you didn't realize it. The pitcher/defense controls the tempo in baseball, but the batter/offense is allowed to get set before the action starts. I think it should be the same in football.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:08 pm to jchamil
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For those who don't think that the Defense should be given an opportunity to sub and/or line up: Do you think it is ok in baseball for a pitcher to throw a pitch before the batter is in the batter's box? This is essentially what the HUNH tries to do to Defenses.
Recruit complete players instead of specialists.
The offense is running the same 11 out there.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:10 pm to jchamil
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The pitcher/defense controls the tempo in baseball, but the batter/offense is allowed to get set before the action starts
Good god, this is bad, you should feel bad
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:12 pm to jchamil
quote:Its nowhere near the same. It would be the same if the Ump signaled play before the batter was in the box and the pitcher threw. In football a better analogy to what you said would be like the offense snapping the ball before the ref allowing play. Which would be a dead ball play.
It's actually a pretty good comparison if you will think about it objectively.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:13 pm to jchamil
quote:So you want to fundamentally change the game of football to be more like baseball? The defense should get to initiate gameplay in football?
I think it should be the same in football.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:14 pm to WDE24
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So you want to fundamentally change the game of football to be more like baseball? The defense should get to initiate gameplay in football?
Defense gets set out on the field(What are the substitution policies in baseball btw?), offense calls in the correct players/play based upon D's formations. D remains Set, D calls the Snap and the play begins.
I think it might work. How long does the D have to snap it?
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:47 pm to jchamil
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It's actually a pretty good comparison if you will think about it objectively.
Only If you're a retard maybe
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:00 pm to PorkSammich
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quote:“At no point in time did one of the committee members speak to strategy. This was all about player safety. I feel very strongly. I was in those meetings, and I heard the comments by the other members of the committee. At no point in time did anybody bring up strategy. This was all about player safety.” Weird bc Aubies and Aggies seem to think this is all some great plot to take them down outside the lines. I doubt Berry and Calhoun are motivated by stopping Gus, Hugh, and Sumlin.
How old are you, 8 ? You are either 8 or extremely naïve, junior.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 7:58 pm to Rig
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What would Arkansas fans have thought about this rule when Petrino was coach?
Arkansas didn't run the HUNH under Petrino. Also, Petrino didn't run the Meerkat offense with Mallet because Mallet could read defenses and audible the Hogs into the right play most of the time.
However, when Wilson was under center he couldn't read defenses nearly as well as Mallet so Petrino utilized the Meerkat offense which I despise. QBs should be able to audible without looking to the sidelines and teams using that technique either has a QB incapable of making the right audible or they don’t trust the QB to make the right call. Either way it’s a lazy way out for the coaches.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 12:15 am to Choctaw Hog
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Petrino utilized the Meerkat offense which I despise. QBs should be able to audible without looking to the sidelines and teams using that technique either has a QB incapable of making the right audible or they don’t trust the QB to make the right call. Either way it’s a lazy way out for the coaches.
Maybe you can propose a rule that only the QB can call an audible at the line. If he looks at his coach that will be a 5yd penalty.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:38 am to PorkSammich
Wow... you are obtuse.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 6:38 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:05 pm to PorkSammich
An arky fan or a bammer would have to of started a gay thread such as this lol... Both of their coaches get their asses handed to them by the HUNH. The rule change has nothing to do about player safety. It has to do with CRY BABY coaches that don't feel like trying to MAN UP and stop the HUNH. You don't find it coincidence that Saban has had his season ruined by HUNH teams. Cuz he had trouble defending it.
Maybe they should do away with kickoff and punt return and just mark off yardage when they want to punt, so nobody gets hurt. This is a bunch of panzy coaches crying from having to defend something they struggle against. Other HUNH teams need to cry and petition that stacking the box and smash mouth football causes injuries so they need to do away with it. This is total embarrassment to bammer & Saban and Beliemea & arky. They are scared and only their fans believe otherwise. Funny how bama & arky fans get on here trying to echo Saban like they truely believe it has to do with injuries lol...
Maybe they should do away with kickoff and punt return and just mark off yardage when they want to punt, so nobody gets hurt. This is a bunch of panzy coaches crying from having to defend something they struggle against. Other HUNH teams need to cry and petition that stacking the box and smash mouth football causes injuries so they need to do away with it. This is total embarrassment to bammer & Saban and Beliemea & arky. They are scared and only their fans believe otherwise. Funny how bama & arky fans get on here trying to echo Saban like they truely believe it has to do with injuries lol...
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:23 pm to allin2010
quote:I agree there should be a meeting with both sides - but why can't the offensive players, QBs and Linemen sub for fresh legs?
Then have an open meeting, with folks from both sides... Fresh Defensive Players (LBs and Dline) will now cause more injuries to offensive players, QBs and Linemen) That is the SAME logic used...
So if it is ALL about player safety, then lets make blitZing illegal..
I "think" the proposal is to allow errrbody to sub if they want to.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:28 pm to TheDoc
He did say think, but then there is you in the equation.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:23 pm to Choctaw Hog
quote:Sounds like most of the JV & high school offenses around here. A coach can't trust a high school kid to be able to read a defense correctly and make the right play. They have to be told from the sidelines what to do on every single time. Hell, my son plays safety and his position coach is screaming out plays to the defense so those little bastards know what the offense is about to throw at 'em.
Arkansas didn't run the HUNH under Petrino. Also, Petrino didn't run the Meerkat offense with Mallet because Mallet could read defenses and audible the Hogs into the right play most of the time.
However, when Wilson was under center he couldn't read defenses nearly as well as Mallet so Petrino utilized the Meerkat offense which I despise. QBs should be able to audible without looking to the sidelines and teams using that technique either has a QB incapable of making the right audible or they don’t trust the QB to make the right call. Either way it’s a lazy way out for the coaches.
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