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re: The poor officiating of the Ark-USC game (for the record)
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:29 am to Jon Ham
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:29 am to Jon Ham
He was bad. Plain and simple . Strike zone was way off. He call balls right over the corners and middle of the plate .
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:42 am to wegotdatwood
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Take off your fricking cock filled shades.
He called just about everything a strike on us and the opposite against yall.
You still missed my point -- a point, I would add, which was made by a hog poster.
Tanner built USC to win with defense and pitching in a small ball era. We have no overpowering pitchers like Arkansas and Florida. Our guys throw softly thrown balls with lots of movement -- if you get bat on ball, it doesn't go very far. Most of the time, the defense can get to it and make the play.
Arkansas tries to overpower you -- particularly with pitching around the edges. They go for the strikeout. If the umpire is inconsistent, it's hard as hell to strike people out -- particularly if the batter recognizes the problem with the strike zone and takes a lot of pitches.
USC adjusted on the mound by throwing pitches Hawg batters would swing at. Arkansas kept throwing strike out pitches -- not getting a swing and not getting the strike call -- hence the Cocks got a lot of walks.
USC also adjusted at the plate. Cocks took a lot of early pitches and let the count get up. Plus, USC kept battling despite the disappointment of leaving the bases loaded twice. Arkansas got frustrated instead of making the kind of adjustments USC made.
With the quality of the defenses and pitching, the weak batting lineups, and the bats and ballpark; this was going to be a tight low-scoring game. It could have gone either way. Hell, USC could have blown it open if the ump didn't blow the call at the plate when Marzilli beat the tag.
Your point of view is that the umpires gave USC the game. I, and everyone else, agrees the umpiring was atrocious. I simply make the point that Tanner outcoached Van Horn by adjusting to the umpiring. It was just enough to give the Cocks the win. That's baseball -- and that's why Ray Tanner is the best in the business.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:52 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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It's a fact of the game that balls and strikes are determined by an imperfect machine: a human
There's a big difference between imperfect and inept.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:56 am to SpringBokCock
Let them cry and complain. That's what they do best. Face it, some teams ( Arkansas) just weren't cut out to win championships . But please let them continue with their excuses and tears. After all that's what they do best. Oh wait , I forgot , what they do best is pound their chests and tell us all how great they are until one of us reminds them that their just Arkansas 
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:58 am to SpringBokCock
While I agree the calls behind the plate seemed to favor USC I will not blame the loss on the umpire. Van Horn bears a lot of responsibility
. 1) Suggs was overpowering USC and Van Horn lifted him with 2 outs in the 7th for Astin. The result was a single and a walk to give USC the lead
2) .Baxendale had clearly lost command and Van Horn stayed with him too long, especially considering it was a winner take all game. You can't think about tomorrow until you win today. Tanner understands that, ie throwing his ace against Kent State.
. 1) Suggs was overpowering USC and Van Horn lifted him with 2 outs in the 7th for Astin. The result was a single and a walk to give USC the lead
2) .Baxendale had clearly lost command and Van Horn stayed with him too long, especially considering it was a winner take all game. You can't think about tomorrow until you win today. Tanner understands that, ie throwing his ace against Kent State.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:01 am to Raz4back
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The poor officiating of the Ark-USC game (for the record)
While I agree the calls behind the plate seemed to favor USC I will not blame the loss on the umpire. Van Horn bears a lot of responsibility
. 1) Suggs was overpowering USC and Van Horn lifted him with 2 outs in the 7th for Astin. The result was a single and a walk to give USC the lead
2) .Baxendale had clearly lost command and Van Horn stayed with him too long, especially considering it was a winner take all game. You can't think about tomorrow until you win today. Tanner understands that, ie throwing his ace against Kent State.
BINGO. ITS NICE TO SEE A RATIONAL ARKANSAS FAN
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:09 am to supersaints9
It is what it is. The umpire had a effect on the game no doubt, but it was Van Horn's mismanagement that allowed the umpire to be in that situation. I think Van Horn is a great coach, he just hasn't been in that situation before. Hopefully he'll learn from the experience the same way that Tanner has.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:21 am to Raz4back
The umpiring goes both ways. Pull out the k zone for the first and 2 runs. Colby Holmes was getting squeezed. You can't say with certainty you would have won the game anyhow. I understand the frustration but I don't see the point of this thread. What are you trying to prove and too whom? It seems like you are just getting mad over it again. I guess if that helps cool. But at some point you just have to let it go.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:29 am to Jon Ham
Great game between two good teams. Unfortunately, one had to lose and it turned to be us.
A game of that magnitude deserves a better ump though, and yes, he was bad on both sides. He did make some bad calls that affected the game.
Not say that to say we lost because of the ump, we may have anyway, but he sure did hurt us in some situations.
A game of that magnitude deserves a better ump though, and yes, he was bad on both sides. He did make some bad calls that affected the game.
Not say that to say we lost because of the ump, we may have anyway, but he sure did hurt us in some situations.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:35 am to WonderWartHawg
I agree with that. It sucks because you walk away still wondering who is the better team.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:44 am to Jon Ham
Arky fans are doing their best Blue Tuna whiney conspiracy imitation today - Good luck with that 
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:44 am to Jon Ham
The umps have been atrocious the entire series. Where do they hire these clowns at?
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:51 am to LSUzealot
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The umps have been atrocious the entire series. Where do they hire these clowns at?
The umps were bad in LSUs regional and Super, but apparently we weren't alone. I remember a lot of tweets throughout the Regionals and Supers about bad umpiring all over the country.
It's sad that the NCAA can't get competent officiating on their biggest stage. It's going to be really difficult to get more fans of the sport when people see farcical umpiring.
I'm not saying umpires were ever biased in their calls, from what I've seen they've all just been flat out bad regardless of which team benefitted.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 11:21 am to SpringBokCock
Good post
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:43 pm to Crow Pie
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Ya'll should have done what Warren Morris did
Warren Morris would barely get the ball out of the infield by today's standards. you fricktards really know how to jack up a poignant topic.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:46 pm to LSUzealot
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The umps have been atrocious the entire series. Where do they hire these clowns at?
Agree. They have little league strike zones. It wasn't just the Ark/SC game. The whole series has been like this.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:57 pm to Jon Ham
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So far we have an emoticon, someone saying only a piece of the ball was in the strike zone therefore it can be called a ball ( ), and a meme.
Typical responses...
How about you stop crying about the ump and give credit to SC?
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:59 pm to Jon Ham
Posts all the ESPN strike zone screen shots all you want but it still means nothing.
Umpires don't have that in front of them and while there is supposed to be a standard strike zone for all umpires to use, anyone who watches baseball knows that each umpire has his own strike zone.. some of which are atrocious no doubt. But thats baseball. For the record. SC had 3 runs, Arky had 2. Get. Over. It.
Umpires don't have that in front of them and while there is supposed to be a standard strike zone for all umpires to use, anyone who watches baseball knows that each umpire has his own strike zone.. some of which are atrocious no doubt. But thats baseball. For the record. SC had 3 runs, Arky had 2. Get. Over. It.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:10 pm to theGarnetWay
I just want the piggies to take note of which SECer did not pile on one time. 
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:27 pm to roadGator
Go back and re-read the game thread....
From the very beginning, the umpire's poor pitch calling was evident. When he was doing it to Holmes early in the game (within the first 30 minutes of the game), even a couple Arky posters made comments about it. Holmes was getting squeezed at the plate, and Arky capitalized by scoring a couple runs.
Were the Arky posters raging about the umpire then? No, they were commenting about it in a "LULZ" kinda way, and living it up la vida loca over getting the lead....
Then the umpire's poor pitch-calling turns against Arkansas, and USC ties the game up, and all of a sudden it's "OMG WTF GTFO FUUUUUUUU!!!!!!" from the entire Arky fanbase on this site.
And it's been that was ever since....
lulz...
From the very beginning, the umpire's poor pitch calling was evident. When he was doing it to Holmes early in the game (within the first 30 minutes of the game), even a couple Arky posters made comments about it. Holmes was getting squeezed at the plate, and Arky capitalized by scoring a couple runs.
Were the Arky posters raging about the umpire then? No, they were commenting about it in a "LULZ" kinda way, and living it up la vida loca over getting the lead....
Then the umpire's poor pitch-calling turns against Arkansas, and USC ties the game up, and all of a sudden it's "OMG WTF GTFO FUUUUUUUU!!!!!!" from the entire Arky fanbase on this site.
And it's been that was ever since....
lulz...
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