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re: Pandora's box is now open...smith to be a dawg per sec!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:04 pm to bamawriter
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:04 pm to bamawriter
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They didn't. The SEC only got to consider the waiver after Bama gave Smith his release. If Saban really wanted to screw Smith over the SEC could do nothing about it.
This is true. And Saban would have been well within his rights to deny the waiver, had he chosen to do so.
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:08 pm to IrrationalMeltdown
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No he interpreted the rules in his favor. If he was right why did the SEC step in and grant Smiths release. If Smith wasn't a possible starter no one would care. That's the most f'd up thing about this.
Smith, by many Alabama fans estimations would have played on about 75% of their snaps. Smith would have gotten significant playing time.
However, people who are criticizing Nick Saban do not understand what was going on. Saban did what any other coach in the SEC would have done....except in an extreme circumstance. He went by the rules and could have denied the waiver and stuck to his guns.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:08 pm to PBD4BAMA
Georgia players will be like: "once a hawk always a hawk"
fricking cake eaters.
fricking cake eaters.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:09 pm to DawgsLife
quote:As a whole most likely yes, but whats stopping a kid from graduating and deciding well I can't win at this school I wanna go to another. This whole fiasco is gonna cause a lot of roster shuffling over the years and Kirby Smart has just as much to do in this IMO as everyone else involved.
Thirdly, the only players this will affect (As a whole) are players who were not getting, or do not anticipate getting a lot of playing time. If a kid graduates in three years and is starting for his team, he will, more than likely, stay with that team.
Just noticed the spelling mistake earlier
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:15 pm to PBD4BAMA
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Pandora's box is now open
The kid graduated for Christ's sake. If the box that opened is that kids have to earn a degree in order to transfer to a team previously blocked, then that's a great box to open.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:16 pm to bamaqna
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As a whole most likely yes, but whats dtopping a kid from graduating and deciding well I can't win at this school I wanna go to another.
That's a legitimate question....and finally we are getting some interesting things to discuss instead of raw emotion from everybody!
I think what will stop them is if they are already playing, why would you risk going to another school and possibly NOT playing?
What if a kid does transfers, then he doesn't get along with his coordinator, or his skills don't fit the offensive/defensive scheme like he thought.
For instance...one Alabam poster said that Alabam would have gone and gotten Fournette from LSU. Seriously? Fournette would have been crazy (Evn if he had qualified) to leave LSU last year and go to Alabama. he is top dog at LSU. he could burn down the library and the Dean of students would hand him the match. He wouldn't leave to have to fight for playing time with Derrick Henry. And Fournette is one of, if not the best back in the country.
It just doesn't make sense that top tier players will leave a starting spot for an unknown situation. Is it POSSIBLE it could happen? Sure. But I will be shocked if you get a true top flight player move. Now...you COULD see a highly rated player on a crowded roster leave. I could see a change in the rule (Which hasn't happened yet) hurt Alabama more than help them.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:18 pm to bamaqna
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whats [s]topping a kid from graduating and deciding well I can't win at this school I wanna go to another.
Graduates have been able to do this for years. The SEC only recently added the rule to keep them from moving in-conference. You're acting like this is some brave new world, when in reality the players' options have simply gone from 115 schools to 128.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:19 pm to skrayper
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I'm sure you're capable of reading the second sentence, but just in case the words are too big:
I am. I'm not from Alabama. I'm capable of higher thought.
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You graduate. You go elsewhere. You wait, then play. SEC sayz so.
No, the SEC said Smith can go wherever the frick he wants, so Saban can get over it or EAD.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:21 pm to wadewilson
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the SEC said Smith can go wherever the frick he wants
No they didn't. Saban had to grant Smith a release first.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:21 pm to bamawriter
[quote]You're acting like this is some brave new world, when in reality the players' options have simply gone from 115 schools to 128.
Exactly. We haven't seen a huge outflow of talent to this point, and we won't see it in the future. But a lot of people seem to be misinterpreting what happened. This has not changed ANYTHING. The rule still stands, and if, say another player wants to leave a school as a graduate and go to a SEC school, his coach can still deny it.
Exactly. We haven't seen a huge outflow of talent to this point, and we won't see it in the future. But a lot of people seem to be misinterpreting what happened. This has not changed ANYTHING. The rule still stands, and if, say another player wants to leave a school as a graduate and go to a SEC school, his coach can still deny it.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:25 pm to TouchdownTony
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I know one thing, Nick will use this to his advantage.
Really? Are there any players at other SEC teams that are frustrated enough with their lack of playing time that they would transfer to Alabama and actually have any impact upon?
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:26 pm to wadewilson
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You graduate. You go elsewhere. You wait, then play. SEC sayz so.
quote:No, Saban cleared the way for Smith to go wherever the frick he wants and turned the case over to the SEC for their review and approval. The SEC then reviewed the case and they granted a waiver allowing Smith to play immediately for UGA.
No, the SEC said Smith can go wherever the frick he wants, so Saban can get over it or EAD.
All is well ~ Errrbody happy ~ Lets PLAY BALL!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:30 pm to RT1941
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Lets PLAY BALL!
Post of the year!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:46 pm to labamafan
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I'm not arguing about this anymore but recruiting in the sec will be interesting from now on.
Recruiting isn't going to change one bit over this. He graduated, he wasn't a recruit. It's not like you could sign and play with one team in the SEC for one year then transfer and play the next year to a SEC school.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:03 pm to AshLSU
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Recruiting isn't going to change one bit over this. He graduated, he wasn't a recruit. It's not like you could sign and play with one team in the SEC for one year then transfer and play the next year to a SEC school.
And the only way this works is if a school is below the scholarship limit. I doubt Alabama has that problem!
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:06 pm to DawgsLife
quote:I understand what you are saying and I mostly agree with it, however this has indeed changed the landscape on how the public views the graduate transfer rule (which I dont see how as its been around since 2000). Also, due to all this the SEC office will no doubt make changes to the rule whether its for the best or worse will remain to be seen. However and this is an aside from everything, Maurice Smith has really put himself in a position where he has all the pressure on him for how he went about this whole thing. If he doesn't do well or atleast makes somewhat of an impact at Georgia, the same people he went to for help in getting attention to his problem (the media) will be the same people who will bring all the attention to him if he fails to play well.
Exactly. We haven't seen a huge outflow of talent to this point, and we won't see it in the future. But a lot of people seem to be misinterpreting what happened. This has not changed ANYTHING.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:06 pm to DawgsLife
Glad to see academic conditions applied to part of the transfer.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:19 pm to bamaqna
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Also, due to all this the SEC office will no doubt make changes to the rule whether its for the best or worse will remain to be seen.
The SEC office can't. It will come to a vote of the ADs, I believe.
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If he doesn't do well or atleast makes somewhat of an impact at Georgia, the same people he went to for help in getting attention to his problem (the media) will be the same people who will bring all the attention to him if he fails to play well.
This is true.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:22 pm to Alahunter
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Glad to see academic conditions applied to part of the transfer.
I might be wrong, but I THINK that is always a part of it. I would think if he is smart enough to get a college degree in 3 years he won't have too much trouble in the classroom, though.
I would think if you make a case to allow a transfer based on academics, it would be smart to put academic goals in the allowance, though.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:23 pm to bamaqna
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I understand what you are saying and I mostly agree with it, however this has indeed changed the landscape on how the public views the graduate transfer rule
The rule hasn't changed. They still have the same restrictions. Nothing has changed.
The SEC is the only conference that had this restriction on graduate players. All other conferences allowed free movement of them, I believe.
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