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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:25 pm to AshleySchaeffer
Jesus H. We all know this already. I said he wasn't driving because the OP was talking about drunk drivers killing people, as if that was a risk Hand took. I didn't say anything about the merits of his arrest.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:25 pm to Bham Bammer
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You think he passed out between the time he cranked the car and he went to put it in gear?
That happened to a buddy of mine actually. It turns out shitfaced people can be pretty lethargic.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:26 pm to AU24
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This guy Saban doesnt care if drunk drivers kill people.
Good thing he didn't drive then or put anyone at risk of being killed. The guy got charged with a DUI. The justice system will punish him if he is found guilty. But if he is not a risk to the community or the football program, what point is there in punishing him on the football field?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:26 pm to AshleySchaeffer
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The fact that Hand wasn't driving doesn't make a difference
doesn't make a difference to his legal case, but it does make a difference to his Saban in terms of the punishment.
you guys act like the only punishment athletes will have is whatever their coach does.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:26 pm to au4you
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Also, how is it a foregone conclusion that he wasn't drunk driving before he parked and passed out?
I've yet to see a reason why he would do that.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:27 pm to AU24
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This guy Saban doesnt care if drunk drivers kill people. 9 Alabama players have gotton DUIs under Saban. Only 1 faced punishment.
What we try to do in our program is help guys learn from their mistakes in order for them to become better people on and off the field. When players make mistakes they need to understand that there are consequences relative to those decisions. So what we want is for those players to internalize those lessons so that when they leave the University of Alabama, they can carry those life lessons forward. Now there are numerous ways for us to help a player relative to the offense and different outcomes. These outcomes may or may not include loss of playing time but there are numerous ways for us to reach that individual to help understand the consequences of his actions. Aight? so this is going to be treated as internal matter and that is the last time we intend to address it publically.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:27 pm to au4you
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I mean he could have intended to drive but passed out before. Also, how is it a foregone conclusion that he wasn't drunk driving before he parked and passed out?
Hell, coulda, woulda, shoulda....believe what the frick you want...or go ponder something else. 
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:27 pm to AU24
Cool. Way to go Saban.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:29 pm to au4you
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Also, how is it a foregone conclusion that he wasn't drunk driving before he parked and passed out?
bc the car was parked in a lot less than a block from the bar he was in. he walked from bar to the lot and got in his car. that's where they found him.
common sense tells us he didn't drive given that info, but i would imagine police, saban, and the kid's atty, could look at surveillance footage to confirm that point.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:29 pm to AU24
Saban is a terrible person. Im glad he doesnt represent my university.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:30 pm to AshleySchaeffer
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The fact that Hand wasn't driving doesn't make a difference. Per Ala. Code 32-5A-191, a person does not have to be driving to be convicted of a DUI in the state of Alabama. There only needs to be apparent control of the vehicle. This control does not have to be at the moment of apprehension. Case law has upheld convictions of persons asleep in the car when the person has been shown to have either been driving while intoxicated before falling asleep and if there are keys in the in possession of the defendant or in the ignition.
(a) A person shall not drive or be in actual physical control of any vehicle while:
(1) There is 0.08 percent or more by weight of alcohol in his or her blood;
(2) Under the influence of alcohol;
(3) Under the influence of a controlled substance to a degree which renders him or her incapable of safely driving;
(4) Under the combined influence of alcohol and a controlled substance to a degree which renders him or her incapable of safely driving; ?or
(5) Under the influence of any substance which impairs the mental or physical faculties of such person to a degree which renders him or her incapable of safely driving.
Let me guess. You are a law student. And you think you are a really big deal.
No one has argued that he didn't get a DUI or that the DUI is an invalid charge. We are arguing that it is perfectly ok for a coach (who is not part of the justice system) to take the fact that he wasn't driving into consideration when determining the best course of action to protect the integrity of the football program.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:33 pm to Monticello
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No one has argued that he didn't get a DUI or that the DUI is an invalid charge. We are arguing that it is perfectly ok for a coach (who is not part of the justice system) to take the fact that he wasn't driving into consideration when determining the best course of action to protect the integrity of the football program.
I think the reason people bring this up is that most schools that I've been around have prescribed punishments for DUI.
ETA: for all students, not just athletes.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:34 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think the reason people bring this up is that most schools that I've been around have prescribed punishments for DUI.
ETA: for all students, not just athletes
And that's probably not the best way to do it.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:35 pm to pvilleguru
I don't disagree.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think the reason people bring this up is that most schools that I've been around have prescribed punishments for DUI.
ETA: for all students, not just athletes.
Alabama does not. UGA is one of the few I know of in the SEC that has a specific and mandatory punishment pre-determined for each specific offense for athletes.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:37 pm to AU24
Sleeping in your car is a smart decision if you're drunk.
Just know the law about your keys being in the ignition
Just know the law about your keys being in the ignition
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:37 pm to Monticello
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Good thing he didn't drive then or put anyone at risk of being killed. The guy got charged with a DUI. The justice system will punish him if he is found guilty. But if he is not a risk to the community or the football program, what point is there in punishing him on the football field?
We do not know if he was driving or not beforehand.
And regardless, the fact is he has got a DUI charge. You're argument is that "well he didn't hurt anyone" so who gives a rat's arse?
So you would agree that all those players who failed drug and steroids tests and were suspended from play also should've been given a break? They didn't hurt anyone.
What about players taking money for playing or merchandise? They never hurt anyone, and yet they were suspended.
Had Alabama played a cupcake school on the first game, Hand would've been suspended for that game.
Nope, they play FSU.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:38 pm to AshleySchaeffer
You are stupid bro.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:38 pm to AU24
Can one cause an accident and kill someone in a parked car?
We have a verb problem here.
He was Sleeping Under the Influence.
Is there a law against that?
We have a verb problem here.
He was Sleeping Under the Influence.
Is there a law against that?
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:39 pm
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