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re: Mizzou. WTF....you screwed that swimmer
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:09 pm to roadhouse
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:09 pm to roadhouse
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since you just did so much heavy reading and have immersed yourself in this subject...please explain to everyone how Mizzou "covered it up" or, in response to "did nothing" - what they should have done and what knowledge they had that would have warranted doing said thing?
In May 2011, she told her athletic dept academic advisor about the rape...what happened with that, where did the advisor go with that info?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:10 pm to CockInYourEar
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Why would the school not pursue her allegations?
Why is this just now coming to light and not in 2011 when the girl died?
Because she didn't make any allegations. She didn't tell anyone who could help here - not a coach, ad administrator, an advisor, or even her parents. Only medical personnel, who couldn't violate her privacy, and 1 friend, who said she din't want to pursue it.
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A miss swimmer accused a football player of raping her, the school did nothing/covered it up, then the girl killed herself.
No. She didn't tell anyone in a position to help her that she had been assaulted. And she killed herself 16 months after the alleged assault, shortly after a breakup with a boyfriend.
She had borderline personality disorder. Her first suicide attempt was in high school, after a breakup with a boyfriend. The first time she told anyone she was raped, other than the 1 friend, was 10 months after the assault - a rape counselor. Mizzou didn't know anything about it until over a year after she passed away. Her parents didn't know until they read her journal after she died.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:11 pm to CockInYourEar
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I took a moment and read a couple articles:
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..and it looks like the summary that I thought it was is pretty accurate. A miss swimmer accused a football player of raping her, the school did nothing/covered it up, then the girl killed herself.
Guess you will still have to wait for the audible version.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:13 pm to CockInYourEar
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In May 2011, she told her athletic dept academic advisor about the rape...what happened with that, where did the advisor go with that info?
The advisor, now in charge of academics for Tennessee's team, says she was never told of an assault. The girl's journal says she told the advisor, the advisor says she didn't. IF she was told and did nothing, she should have been fired. But she claims that did not happen.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:20 pm to semotruman
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The advisor, now in charge of academics for Tennessee's team, says she was never told of an assault. The girl's journal says she told the advisor, the advisor says she didn't. IF she was told and did nothing, she should have been fired. But she claims that did not happen.
Records from Menu Courey's email account obtained by ESPN and her parents through open-records requests included a December 2010 chat transcript between her and a rape crisis counselor in which she recounts the incident.
Was the rape crisis counselor that Menu talked to an employee of or affiliated with UMizz?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:22 pm to kilo
you jut dishonored that gif and used it poorly...I summarized what 3 articles reported. You're sad/angry/frustrated that this incident happened and is now coming to light at your school. I think you should just let this play out.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:25 pm to semotruman
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The advisor, now in charge of academics for Tennessee's team, says she was never told of an assault. The girl's journal says she told the advisor, the advisor says she didn't. IF she was told and did nothing, she should have been fired. But she claims that did not happen.
Not exactly the right person to go to for a rape allegation, but if this person did know something and didn't follow protocol, I would imagine it will come out through a formal investigation. Anything electronic is permanent. To say that the university "covered something up" based on a journal entry from a mentally unstable girl is just plain stupid.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:25 pm to CockInYourEar
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you jut dishonored that gif and used it poorly...I summarized what 3 articles reported. You're sad/angry/frustrated that this incident happened and is now coming to light at your school. I think you should just let this play out.
Not really bud. Im willing to bet you didn't read the Mizzou responses linked in those articles either.
You want to let ESPN dictate the narrative then come her without all the facts involved, knock yourself out.
Im not angry about anything. The only thing I feel is sadness that that young woman took her own life.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:26 pm to CockInYourEar
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Was the rape crisis counselor that Menu talked to an employee of or affiliated with UMizz?
Not sure. But rape counselors are like medical personnel - counselors. They are under strict confidentiality.
And again, this came to light after her death. Mizzou wrote to her parents asking if they had any additional information about an assault, and if they wanted an investigation. The parents never responded. Mizzou didn't know about the attack, where it occurred, or who was involved.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:35 pm to roadhouse
Not to mention she has denied ever being told. I also find it hard to believe that a women, not affiliated with the AD, would have any desire to "cover up" a rape involving some football players...makes sense
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:50 pm to JesusQuintana
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is what fricking person in their right mind receives a video of their deceased best friend getting raped, and proceeds to place it in a relatives basement where it is then thrown away. I smell bull shite and Mr. Woodland is going to have some questions to answer for that shite. The only piece of evidence of your best friend being raped and you put it in somebody's basement? And it's then thrown away? He should be locked up for that shite.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:05 pm to WildcatMike
I'm so glad ESPN is honoring this poor girl's memory by encouraging herp derp misinformed threads like OP's on message boards throughout the country. Congratulations, Outside The Lines, this was really productive and I'm sure so therapeutic for her friends and family. I know if my son or daughter committed suicide the first thing I'd want is for it to become smack talk fodder for random dipshit uninformed message board chatter and popcorn emoticons. Good grief.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:10 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
You think this is bad you oughtta take a peak at the couch burners board. Them and their beaker buddies are having a major circle jerk over this. Sad.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:12 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I agree. The tragedy of her suicide is being dwarfed by a network, and a few individuals associated with the victim, who want to make a few bucks via sensationalism.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:14 pm to roadhouse
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To say that the university "covered something up" based on a journal entry from a mentally unstable girl is just plain stupid.
That attitude is part of the problem. Someone who is emotional, even those with serious conditions, aren't subhuman, children, or raving lunatics who should never be believed and written off as liars. Yet a lot of people are downplaying what happened because she was 'mentally ill.' There's a lot of she can't be trusted because she mentally ill around this conversation. Ironically, that shows you the stigma she likely faced in getting help or even considering going to authorities, add in football and I'd be damned if I believed anyone would do a thing to help me either.
Further, when someone isn't well you have stronger duty to protect them. That is the issue most have with how the withdrawal took place. It's the kind of bureaucratic thinking that plagues colleges and universities and it's a systemic problem that every school needs to get a better handle on. Administrators averse to using their brains, sense of compassion and humanity, far too often. And the bureaucracies at most schools operate by two principles: 1. protect the bureaucracy at all costs 2. if someone is a problem get rid of them the quickest way possible.
As to Anderson, I want her to GTFO of UT NOW, especially if the investigation points to more knowledge on her part and I suspect she knew far more than is being said as she was basically doing the bidding of the swim coach/AD. But I suppose that's because I'm not writing this girl off as mad woman.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:17 pm to reedus23
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These threads are seriously separating the normal trolls who just like to have fun from those people who completely lack any class in their life.
So true. It takes a real low-life to troll a subject like this. It's sad to see them popping up in this thread.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:23 pm to Prof
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Further, when someone isn't well you have stronger duty to protect them. That is the issue most have with how the withdrawal took place.
Dude! If you've read all of the articles, read them again. MU was doing everything within their powers to help that woman. The withdrawal was done in conjunction with the parents to facilitate her transfer to a Boston hospital and to insure she could return to the swim team when she recovered.
What is this ridiculous knee-jerk need to skewer Mizzou?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:28 pm to Kentucker
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What is this ridiculous knee-jerk need to skewer Mizzou?
Pointing out the obvious is skewering? And I've read the articles. The way the withdrawal was handled was a classic case of a bureaucrat thinking like bureaucrat. Might want to reread what I said as well - this is a systemic problem at ALL colleges and universities.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:32 pm to Prof
Did you read Mizzou's responses? You'd see that the parents wanted to manage her treatment themselves. What option did Mizzou have but to work with them and expedite her release from the school; while, at the same time arranging for her return when she recovered.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:37 pm to Kentucker
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Did you read Mizzou's responses? You'd see that the parents wanted to manage her treatment themselves. What option did Mizzou have but to work with them and expedite her release from the school; while, at the same time arranging for her return when she recovered.
I've hashed this out in other threads. But it's quite simple: you don't go to someone who is hospitalized for suicide to convince them sign withdrawal papers. You can wait.
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