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re: Mizzou. WTF....you screwed that swimmer
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:26 pm to Prof
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:26 pm to Prof
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Mizzou has decided to turn the names over to the police.
Names that they got from espn. That they asked for before the article was published that espn wouldn't give them.
The investigation is a great idea and I'm glad they're doing it. I don't think they did anything wrong, but this will show it if they did. Also, I expect the parents plan to sue everyone they can, so this will be needed.
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:28 pm to kilo
This is a sad story about lack of resources available for people with mental illness, and the hesitance of victims of sexual violence to come forward. A really sad story. Mizzou was in a tough spot, considering the facts.
anyone who is insinuating Missouri forced her out of school or participated in a cover up either did not read all the relevant information or failed elementary school english class.
anyone who is insinuating Missouri forced her out of school or participated in a cover up either did not read all the relevant information or failed elementary school english class.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:31 pm to Cheese Grits
Y'all are really some sick fricks for trolling over an incident that is tragic on all ends. Get your fricking rocks off some other place.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:32 pm to NaturalLight00
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anyone who is insinuating Missouri forced her out of school or participated in a cover up either did not read all the relevant information or failed elementary school english class.
They're fricking trolling natural. They know damn well and to me that's sick.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:33 pm to Cheese Grits
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I think the difference is you and I view the reactions differently. While you doubt it exists, the suspect handling of it is a strong lean in my book that somebody he knew may go to jail for a long time if it existed so it was destroyed and he said it was "lost"
As I stated on the other thread, if he was a football player and the others were fellow players it is much different than if they were unknown 3rd parties he had no issues with seeing them rot in jail for the next 1/4 century. People do strange things to protect the guilty if they actually know them.
I never said I doubt it exists. I said that there is that possibility. There is also the possibility what was on that video isn't what is being led to be believed.
Its all possible. Reasonable people reserve judgement when the "facts" are this cloudy.
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People do strange things to protect the guilty if they actually know them.
People also do strange things to help protect someone embarrassed by a regrettable encounter caught on video. This is a devils advocate assumption but goes to show that there are many plausible scenarios surrounding the video.
I dont know and neither do you. One of us has already passed judgement and the other is waiting to let the facts come and then make judgments.
Dont know Grits. Maybe its your bias agaisnt Mizzou shinning through but you have YET to error on the side of "lets wait and see what the facts bring."
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:39 pm to Cheese Grits
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As I stated on the other thread, if he was a football player and the others were fellow players it is much different than if they were unknown 3rd parties he had no issues with seeing them rot in jail for the next 1/4 century. People do strange things to protect the guilty if they actually know them.
See Chris Boyd from Vanderbilt's own rape case this summer. He was an Eagle Scout, and one of the most well-liked and respected members of the team. He was the last one anyone expected to be involved, but somewhere in his head, defending his friends made sense. Even good people can make really bad choices.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:39 pm to Prof
Well, it seems the OTL story made some movement in Columbia.
And for the patents not helping the University, well this is telling…
And I am sure Sasha's parents are excluded from HIPPA laws due to being guardians.
And for the patents not helping the University, well this is telling…
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Menu Courey's parents told "Outside the Lines" for Friday's story that they did not respond to Missouri officials because they had lost faith over time and did not feel it was their job to investigate the matter as they had no access to documents. In one example, they doubted university's officials' sincerity, they said, because it took three months for the university to give them a copy of Menu Courey's online chat transcript with the rape crisis counselor. The university discovered it in late 2012 but provided it three months later
And I am sure Sasha's parents are excluded from HIPPA laws due to being guardians.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:42 pm to kilo
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Maybe its your bias agaisnt Mizzou shinning through but you have YET to error on the side of "lets wait and see what the facts bring."
What you keep claiming as bias I see as serious holes that lead to the strong belief the kid knows much more than he is saying. I do not put this blame on Mizzou as you keep insinuating but put the focus on the kid.
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"lets wait and see what the facts bring."
I honestly think we are well past this point. I think the facts are now buried and will not be unearthed as too much time has passed. Say this kid was covering for fellow players back then and did not come forward, do you really believe it will be easier for the facts to come out now? If so I think I can find you some swamp land for a reasonable price.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:45 pm to Cheese Grits
I haven't followed this much, but I'm guessing the short on it is that a mizz swimmer was raped, the university covered it up a few years ago and then the girl killed herself. Does that sum it up?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:47 pm to CockInYourEar
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I haven't followed this much, but I'm guessing the short on it is that a mizz swimmer was raped, the university covered it up a few years ago and then the girl killed herself. Does that sum it up?
Not even fricking close. Read it before you troll over some girl getting raped and committing suicide.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:47 pm to CockInYourEar
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I haven't followed this much, but I'm guessing the short on it is that a mizz swimmer was raped, the university covered it up a few years ago and then the girl killed herself. Does that sum it up?
Not sure if the university (institution) covered it up as much as university (players) did might be the better summary.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:48 pm to Cheese Grits
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I honestly think we are well past this point. I think the facts are now buried and will not be unearthed as too much time has passed. Say this kid was covering for fellow players back then and did not come forward, do you really believe it will be easier for the facts to come out now? If so I think I can find you some swamp land for a reasonable price.
You have changed your angle of attack multiple times Grits. It was the AD covering up, then it was its handling of the withdrawal, then it was who from Mizzou addressed the situation in the Media, now its the football players/team/ex players.
You have been on the hunt since this broke. Please just stop trying to act like you are not fricking doing this. Just stop. You may have an interest in the story but you ARE biased.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:49 pm to Cheese Grits
Is it a cover up if the victim did not want to come forward?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:50 pm to CockInYourEar
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I haven't followed this much, but I'm guessing the short on it is that a mizz swimmer was raped, the university covered it up a few years ago and then the girl killed herself. Does that sum it up?
You will have to wait for the audible book to come out because its clear you cant or wont read.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:51 pm to WildcatMike
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and it seems with her not being part of the swim team as well as the assault caused her to snap
sure, convenient to say that's what caused her to snap, even though that was a few years ago and her boyfriend broke up with her right before the actual suicide (which is the exact scenario that led to a previous suicide attempt). Quit letting the scumbags at ESPiN frame a report to cause yourself to make stupid conclusions.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:52 pm to kilo
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you ARE biased
Look in the mirror and take a good look at yourself.
You seem to be positive that nothing involving MU (institution or players) was involved in this thing at all. Sounds like you are the ostrich with head firmly in sand.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 6:57 pm to Cheese Grits
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Look in the mirror and take a good look at yourself.
You seem to be positive that nothing involving MU (institution or players) was involved in this thing at all. Sounds like you are the ostrich with head firmly in sand.
No, Im reasonable enough to let the facts come and make judgement from he results of the investigations taking place.
If and when there is either wrongdoing by the Missouri Administration or their is hard evidence of rape I will be the first in line to put the University or the individuals on blast and call for heads to roll.
So tell me again, who is biased, unreasonable and has jumped to their own conclusions that suits their overall narrative?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:01 pm to kilo
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You will have to wait for the audible book to come out because its clear you cant or wont read.
I probably should have read more about it, but nothing mizzzzouri really matters to me, so I was just looking for a quick summary.
I took a moment and read a couple articles:
https://swimswam.com/espn-university-missouri-failed-investigate-alleged-rape-swimmer/
https://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/01/24/university_of_missouri_did_not_pursue_allegations_of_sexual_assault_espn.html
https://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/mu/parents-hope-swimmer-s-suicide-will-cause-mu-to-re/article_e3e782e8-858b-11e3-b1a8-10604b9f6eda.html
...and it looks like the summary that I thought it was is pretty accurate. A miss swimmer accused a football player of raping her, the school did nothing/covered it up, then the girl killed herself.
Why would the school not pursue her allegations?
Why is this just now coming to light and not in 2011 when the girl died?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:03 pm to WildcatMike
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That girl was sick. everyone in the athletic administration failed on that one. Why make her sign that waiver while she is on suicide watch?The swim coach looked foolish.
Title is worded very poorly over a topic that has been rehashed on here 10 times.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:05 pm to CockInYourEar
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...and it looks like the summary that I thought it was is pretty accurate. A miss swimmer accused a football player of raping her, the school did nothing/covered it up, then the girl killed herself.
since you just did so much heavy reading and have immersed yourself in this subject...please explain to everyone how Mizzou "covered it up" or, in response to "did nothing" - what they should have done and what knowledge they had that would have warranted doing said thing?
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