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re: Mizzou. WTF....you screwed that swimmer
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:29 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:29 pm to WildcatMike
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The story was pointing out Mizzou failed the swimmer by having her sign a waiver to leave school and being forced off the swim team.
She wasn't forced out - she was institutionalized and her family and her agreed, as it would allow her to keep her scholarship and complete her degree later.
Furthermore, nobody at the school knew about it until after she died. The only people she told were bound by HIPAA to not disclose.
Story is pathetic and is trying to lead readers to form their own opinion that there was a cover up (because there wasn't so they can't say that there was), because without that, it really isn't a big news story and wouldn't get the controvery/clicks/$.
Espn is a bunch of frickin jackals and is exploiting the dead girl and the university for ad-dollars.
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:33 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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It even more shameful that you are defending rapists and slew of administrators that covered it up and didn't leap to defend a student in their care.
They way that whole thing went down, there is no way to report it and it not be negative. Mama Beckham sure knows her facts.
It's really pathetic that you take enjoyment about the opportunity to use a story of a dead girl to lambaste a school you don't like. By your comment here, it's obvious you didn't even take the time to understand the story.
Go back in your hole, vermin.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:42 pm to Loathor
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Why does she or her parents need to consent to it being investigated? Just wondering?
Because of the lack of information they had. She had passed away, and chose, for whatever reason, not to pursue it. All the university had was the transcript of a chat she had with an online rape counselor that had few details to go on.
How do they investigate when they don't know who, or where, or exactly when? And she's not there for them to ask. So they ask her parents if they have any additional info, and if they want to investigate. They didn't know of the journal until espn started investigating - the parents gave the journal to espn, but not Mizzou. And when Mizzou asked espn what info they had, espn did not share.
Now that they know at least a couple of people involved, and where it occurred (off-campus) they have something to go on. They know which LEA has jurisdiction, and who they can start talking to.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:44 pm to roadhouse
It seemed that she was forced off the swim team. This was before she was admitted in the suicide watch unit of the University hospital. Your swim coach even mentioned it was for either a "back injuries" or her "mental issues"….seemed like he did not want her on the team and go with her with another swimmer that can contribute. The NCAA states, athletes with injuries (including mental illness) required to keep their spot and scholarship if awarded while one receives treatment. Looks like the swim coach is the one who fricked up by not allowing her to stay on the team….basically pushing her to the side.
The swim coach looked foolish while being grilled by the reporter…and it seems with her not being part of the swim team as well as the assault caused her to snap…though she has had history of mental issues prior to going to Mizzou.
The swim coach looked foolish while being grilled by the reporter…and it seems with her not being part of the swim team as well as the assault caused her to snap…though she has had history of mental issues prior to going to Mizzou.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:46 pm to Loathor
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Why does she or her parents need to consent to it being investigated? Just wondering?
Well, there's not much of a case without the girl's testimony. As such, any investigation would either be a miserable failure OR would force a rape victim to relive her nightmare in front of a court against her wishes. No one knew about the tape until after she died, and it has mysteriously disappeared.
This is a terribly tragic event, but the biggest Missouri made in this mess according to ESPN's reporting is possibly being to much of a stickler to protocol by having her sign the forms while still in a psyche ward. There is no evidence of anyone else doing anything wrong. All other personnel who she disclosed her rape to were bound by HIPPA not to disclose the incident.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:55 pm to WildcatMike
She was supposed to be going to counseling, and told the coach she was skipping sessions. She was non-compliant with her treatment plan. So he told her to take time off and get healthy. Never told her she couldn't come back.
She was still on scholarship. Withdrawing from school preserved her status academically so she could return down the road.
She was still on scholarship. Withdrawing from school preserved her status academically so she could return down the road.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:30 pm to WildcatMike
I'm siding solidly with Mizzou on this one. They did everything possible with the information they had to go on. The young woman was noncompliant with the treatment the university provided. MU attempted to consult with the parents about the situation and they would not respond.
Lots of info is now coming out about the rape. Info that the university did not have until now, including where the crime took place, off campus. MU has turned the investigation over to the Colombia Police Department, which is appropriate.
Mizzou is faultless is this matter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not followed the story closely enough, or is just stupid.
Lots of info is now coming out about the rape. Info that the university did not have until now, including where the crime took place, off campus. MU has turned the investigation over to the Colombia Police Department, which is appropriate.
Mizzou is faultless is this matter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not followed the story closely enough, or is just stupid.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:32 pm to WildcatMike
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That girl was sick. everyone in the athletic administration failed on that one. Why make her sign that waiver while she is on suicide watch?The swim coach looked foolish.
And you're a complete douche for trying to take a completely tragic situation and a woman's death and turning it into a troll thread. Douche.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:33 pm to Kentucker
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Mizzou is faultless is this matter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not followed the story closely enough, or is just stupid.
Or is just trolling, and thanks for your reasoned response.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:45 pm to reedus23
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That girl was sick. everyone in the athletic administration failed on that one. Why make her sign that waiver while she is on suicide watch?The swim coach looked foolish.
As long as the woman was a student under scholarship to Mizzou, which amounts to a contract, the university was bound to do everything they could for her, and did. Her noncompliance with the treatments the school provided forced the school to look for alternatives.
The best one seemed to be to turn her back to her parents who wanted to have her treated in Boston. It was the parents who chose to withdraw her from school. When they did, it was imperative that MU release her from her contract and into her parents' sole care.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:56 pm to Kentucker
Also it was imperative she sign the release papers, which she and her family agreed to, when she did so as not to effect her academic standing allowing her to return to school if she chose to. The OP keeps referring to her being "forced" to sign which is terribly inaccurate.
It's a sad situation, and if she was raped I hope they find the guys and string them up by their balls. FB players or not. However, the University is not responsible for this. They did everything they could, and no one knew about it until AFTER she was dead unfortunately, Sasha had a long history of mental illness and prior suicide attempts. She was a troubled young lady
It's a sad situation, and if she was raped I hope they find the guys and string them up by their balls. FB players or not. However, the University is not responsible for this. They did everything they could, and no one knew about it until AFTER she was dead unfortunately, Sasha had a long history of mental illness and prior suicide attempts. She was a troubled young lady
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:03 pm to JesusQuintana
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It's a sad situation, and if she was raped I hope they find the guys and string them up by their balls. FB players or not
I don't care if they're football players, wrestlers or mathletes. If they're rapists, they're rapists and if that can be proven they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed under the law.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:20 pm to JesusQuintana
What I don't get is why entities like ESPN automatically look to the school for fault. The university can hardly be expected to know the athletes with the intimacy that the parents surely have.
Why on earth didn't the parents get more involved with their child's plight in this situation. Were they even communicating with her about the rape? If so, why weren't they beating down the doors of the school's police department, or more accurately the city police department for an investigation?
It seems the parents thought MU should be handling the matter on their own, even though they didn't have a lot of info about the situation. I blame the parents a lot for their lack of cooperation with Mizzou.
Why on earth didn't the parents get more involved with their child's plight in this situation. Were they even communicating with her about the rape? If so, why weren't they beating down the doors of the school's police department, or more accurately the city police department for an investigation?
It seems the parents thought MU should be handling the matter on their own, even though they didn't have a lot of info about the situation. I blame the parents a lot for their lack of cooperation with Mizzou.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:28 pm to Kentucker
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What I don't get is why entities like ESPN automatically look to the school for fault.
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:44 pm to WildcatMike
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That girl was sick. everyone in the athletic administration failed on that one. Why make her sign that waiver while she is on suicide watch?The swim coach looked foolish.
Try this thing called reading. You might like it.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:45 pm to Kentucker
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Why on earth didn't the parents get more involved with their child's plight in this situation. Were they even communicating with her about the rape? If so, why weren't they beating down the doors of the school's police department, or more accurately the city police department for an investigation?
She never told her parents either. They found out after her death because it was in her journal. The only person she told, that we know of, that wasn't bound by confidentiality was her friend, Rolandis Woodland. He claims he confronted the player(s) involved, but didn't do anything else because she didn't want to pursue it.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 5:02 pm to WildcatMike
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WildcatMike
2 other threads on the Rant already dealing with this
OTL post on the Rant
and
Mizzou response thread
Semo, I 5hink that was a typo in your response
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This incident occurred in February, 3010
I think you meant 2010
Posted on 1/26/14 at 5:12 pm to semotruman
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He claims he confronted the player(s) involved, but didn't do anything else because she didn't want to pursue it.
My word. And yet ESPN will continue to blame Mizzou. I hate that network a little more every time they do this to a school.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 5:25 pm to semotruman
This story about her football buddy who claims to have had a tape of the rape is FISHY AS HELL. Smells strongly of bullshite. Just a weird story I ain't buying.
We're expected to believe that someone who had a tape which purported to be of a woman being raped by 3 guys sequentially would just lose it in someone else's basement. Yeah, OK. This is a tape of his dead friend getting triple raped. That shite would be like Edgar Allan Poe's "Tell-Tale Heart" - you'd be horrified and constantly haunted by it. You'd know exactly where you'd hid that thing as if it were a murder weapon. You'd wake up anxious about it. You wouldn't just lose it. Either he crushed it burned it and tossed it or it never existed.
We're expected to believe that someone who had a tape which purported to be of a woman being raped by 3 guys sequentially would just lose it in someone else's basement. Yeah, OK. This is a tape of his dead friend getting triple raped. That shite would be like Edgar Allan Poe's "Tell-Tale Heart" - you'd be horrified and constantly haunted by it. You'd know exactly where you'd hid that thing as if it were a murder weapon. You'd wake up anxious about it. You wouldn't just lose it. Either he crushed it burned it and tossed it or it never existed.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 5:27 pm to Cooter Davenport
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We're expected to believe that someone who had a tape which purported to be of a woman being raped by 3 guys sequentially would just lose it in someone else's basement.
Was discussed on the other thread. Loyalty to her or loyalty to his teammates of the football team. If he had it it was destroyed and not lost.
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