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re: Is there a consensus #2 football program in the SEC, historically?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:46 pm to AUTiger789
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:46 pm to AUTiger789
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No one claimed they were. But Georgia was 6th in the SEC up until the last few years, and now you want to try to pretend you’re the SEC’s #2 all time?
We’ve been in the conference the same number of years and UGA won it 13 times vs 8 for AU, not including anything to do with 2021/2022…more than any team not named Bama (tied with LSU I believe. Before 2021 UGA had more total wins, a better winning percentage and more bowl wins than any team other than Bama or UT.
Your post is silly at no point in recent history was UGA sixth in the conference.
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:49 pm to Bama Bird
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Next year, #2 is Oklahoma
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:49 pm to Dawgfanman
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Would be better to use an objective metric.
You mean the same objective metric that didn’t award UT the 1939 natty after shutting out every regular season opponent after winning the title on 1938. How does a defending champion not win it all again when they don’t even give up a point the following year and then win again in 1940?
Back then the south East was not a hot bed for college football. It was mainly schools from the north and out west/mid west that was getting all the attention.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:50 pm to cajunbama
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cajunbama
Always salty.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:50 pm to AUTiger789
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Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles?
No, but Oklahoma needs to win the SEC once before they can be counted as a top program.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:53 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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You mean the same objective metric that didn’t award UT the 1939 natty after shutting out every regular season opponent after winning the title on 1938. How does a defending champion not win it all again when they don’t even give up a point the following year and then win again in 1940? Back then the south East was not a hot bed for college football. It was mainly schools from the north and out west/mid west that was getting all the attention.
That’s one way. A few others:
all years in which a school was awarded the NC by the majority of NCAA recognized selectors (ncaa record book shows this)
All years in which a school was awarded an NC by any NCAA recognized selectors (ncaa record book shows this)
Your method leads to things like UCF claiming the 2017 NC, which is just stupid.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:55 pm to Dawgfanman
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Your method leads to things like UCF claiming the 2017 NC, which is just stupid.
Tennessee didn't even claim 4 of the titles they do now until the 00s when a bunch of programs started retroactively claiming titles from obscure computer polls (many of them also retroactive) to make their programs' histories look better. It's silly TBH
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:55 pm to Bama Bird
Tennessee hasn’t won the sec in 25 years
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:04 pm to wadewilson
Historically, Oklahoma is the third best program in the nation. I don't see how we can so easily count them out
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:15 pm to Bama Bird
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Historically, Oklahoma is the third best program in the nation. I don't see how we can so easily count them out
Because they didn’t earn it by running through the SEC gauntlet.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:19 pm to AUTiger789
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But Georgia was 6th in the SEC up until the last few years, and now you want to try to pretend you’re the SEC’s #2 all time?
I don't understand how UGA would be 6 of 6 in the rankings before 2021. UGA still had more conference wins, better records, and head to head records against most other big 6 teams. The only metric that would make sense would be titles, assuming you're not counting 1942.
Even then titles are not easy to come by, so downplaying some because they are the most recent is disingenuous. They are the biggest metric, but not the only one.
You have to realize that we are in a point in time where UGA is on a roll and has very good odds to get more titles in the next few years. That should not count against a team.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:21 pm to jcolding41
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I don't understand how UGA would be 6 of 6 in the rankings before 2021
they wouldn't be, by any metric. The person you are responding to is simply an idiot and should be ignored.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:23 pm to WG_Dawg
Claiming the 1942 title seems so silly to me when basically the entire male population was at war or ready to be enlisted for war. If UGA claims 1942, UF should be able to claim 1984.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:24 pm to Bama Bird
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Historically, Oklahoma is the third best program in the nation. I don't see how we can so easily count them out
Because….. this is a what have you done while playing in the SEC conversation.
And….. here’s why you can easily discount their past. Nebraska was also once upon a time great just like OU. They move out of the Big 12 to the Big Ten and they are mediocre at best. Arkansas had a really nice history until they moved to the SEC in 1992. Since then, they have an all-time losing SEC conference record.
Let’s wait 10 years and see just how good OU is when they have to face a significantly more difficult schedule.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:31 pm to ChiGator
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Claiming the 1942 title seems so silly to me when basically the entire male population was at war or ready to be enlisted for war. If UGA claims 1942, UF should be able to claim 1984.
Many of the stars of that UGA team could be said the be “ready to enlist” as they were enlisted in 1943. This includes Sinkwich (Heisman winner), Trippi (runner up) and Poschner (Distinguish Service Cross winner). Are you the Gator that always tries to paint this team as filled with war dodging cowards?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:48 pm to Dawgfanman
I think it’s more to do with the fact that the vast majority of college programs lost a ton of talent for a few seasons so your “title” has an asterisk next to it.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:52 pm to AUTiger789
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Expansion has severely blemished conference championships and conference wins and losses as a valuable metric.
Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles? Is Northwestern a stronger Big 10 program than USC?
Conference championships matter when your conference is fricking good. Many of OU's conference championships only required a win over Nebraska. No small feat at certain points in history, for sure, but only rarely did OU's conference titles require them to win more than two games against very good teams.
Speaking of that, this is a good time to remind y'all that of 236 of OU's 934 wins, or 25%, come against three schools with losing records: Iowa State, Kansas State, and Kansas.
This does not detract from many of OU's impressive football accomplishments. Their resume speaks impressively for itself.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:55 pm to wadewilson
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No, but Oklahoma needs to win the SEC once before they can be counted as a top program.
No, they don't.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:57 pm to Bama Bird
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Historically, Oklahoma is the third best program in the nation. I don't see how we can so easily count them out
OU is one of the top five football programs in college football history.
It has no SEC history.
It cannot be the #2 football program in the SEC, historically speaking.
It is the second best all-time program if ranking the future SEC teams.
There can be more than one ranking.
I hate conference expansion.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:58 pm to genuineLSUtiger
This is what I say.
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