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Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:46 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Agreed. Michigan isn't at the top right now, but I'd still consider them elite because they've been successful over a far longer period of time.
potential does not make you an elite program. Its what your program does and how consistently you can do it against the best competition. Miami and FSU are not elite programs right now because they can't achieve it.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to ACL11190
I don't know. I'm not really convinced that Michigan is well set up for the future. At some point in time, faltering records do start translating into reduced potential.
Once you go that long with losing, people start wanting to play at other places like Wisconsin, Penn State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Illinois, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Purdue, etc.
I really don't see what's going to steer Michigan permanently above those other schools into "elite" status. I see them as a program that will only reel in Top 10 recruiting classes on very rare occasions.
With FSU, on the other hand, it's very easy to see how they could quickly catapult back into the scene.
Once you go that long with losing, people start wanting to play at other places like Wisconsin, Penn State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Illinois, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Purdue, etc.
I really don't see what's going to steer Michigan permanently above those other schools into "elite" status. I see them as a program that will only reel in Top 10 recruiting classes on very rare occasions.
With FSU, on the other hand, it's very easy to see how they could quickly catapult back into the scene.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to AUTigLN11
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1 and a half titles and the "one" is a joke.
it's better than nothing right?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to BamaScoop
https://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php
Auburn #17 alltime..just haven't cashed a NCAA Title in the modern era, or say last 25 to 40 years.
Auburn #17 alltime..just haven't cashed a NCAA Title in the modern era, or say last 25 to 40 years.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to ohiovol
I look at things such as recruiting grounds, stadium atmosphere, fanbase, and tradition.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to ACL11190
Miami has more potential than some of those teams, simply because of South Florida's recruiting base.
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:48 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:Michigan will be better than all those teams, save maybe Ohio State, by next year.
I don't know. I'm not really convinced that Michigan is well set up for the future. At some point in time, faltering records do start translating into reduced potential.
Once you go that long with losing, people start wanting to play at other places like Wisconsin, Penn State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Illinois, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Purdue, etc.
I really don't see what's going to steer Michigan permanently above those other schools into "elite" status. I see them as a program that will only reel in Top 10 recruiting classes on very rare occasions.
With FSU, on the other hand, it's very easy to see how they could quickly catapult back into the scene.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:49 pm to ohiovol
You may be right. I'd rather coach Florida State though.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:49 pm to ACL11190
quote:Then Tennessee may very well be up here. The fact that Tennessee isn't a great recruiting state itself hides the fact that Tennessee is still surrounded by elite talent.
I look at things such as recruiting grounds, stadium atmosphere, fanbase, and tradition.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:50 pm to ohiovol
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Agreed. Michigan isn't at the top right now, but I'd still consider them elite because they've been successful over a far longer period of time.
Thats what I called a storied program then. They haven't been really elite in a while but yes they definitely have the potential to get back there pretty easily. Look at Bama a few years ago, then they were on probation for a while and were having their troubles, they weren't elite but were definitely still storied, but now look where they are, definitely an elite program because they have achieved it on the field.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:50 pm to ohiovol
You think Michigan is just gonna sh!t a magical Defense, and surpass Wisky or Penn St in a year's time?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:52 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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You think Michigan is just gonna sh!t a magical Defense, and surpass Wisky or Penn St in a year's time?
Wisconsin will have at least a little drop off after this year. Penn State sucks right now, I'm not sure how Michigan screwed game up so badly. I don't think Michigan loses much. They'll be much better defensively next year.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:52 pm to LurkingGirl
Elite is a pretty subjective term but if your going to call Michigan and Notre Dame elite and not LSU then the word "elite" has lost any real meaning.
Notre Dame is 2-11 in bowl games since 94. With the only victory over a BCS school coming against A&M in the 94 cotton bowl. There other victory was against hawaii in 2008 hawaii bowl. There last NC came in 1988 and their last "BCS" bowl came in the 1992 sugar bowl(1991 season).
Michigan has 1 national championship over the last 60 years! And they havent won a BCS bowl since the 2000 orange bowl.
Notre Dame is 2-11 in bowl games since 94. With the only victory over a BCS school coming against A&M in the 94 cotton bowl. There other victory was against hawaii in 2008 hawaii bowl. There last NC came in 1988 and their last "BCS" bowl came in the 1992 sugar bowl(1991 season).
Michigan has 1 national championship over the last 60 years! And they havent won a BCS bowl since the 2000 orange bowl.
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:52 pm to AUTigLN11
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1 and a half titles and the "one" is a joke.
That's not true. LSU has won 2 BCS National Championships.
Does it hurt you so much that you can't say it? 1 1/2 is a flat out lie. And the only joke is that the fan of a team that has never even sniffed one is talking smack.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:53 pm to ohiovol
I think a program that has tons of potential to be great is Georgia. I'll never understand how Florida has won like 18 of the last 21 against them. Georgia is a very attractive school for a recruit and a coach.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Thats what I called a storied program then. They haven't been really elite in a while but yes they definitely have the potential to get back there pretty easily. Look at Bama a few years ago, then they were on probation for a while and were having their troubles, they weren't elite but were definitely still storied, but now look where they are, definitely an elite program because they have achieved it on the field.
Michigan has really only sucked since 2008, and that's because they had to undergo major offensive style changes. They've still been better than all the Big 10 teams save OSU this decade.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:54 pm to ACL11190
quote:Agreed. And most of that record is because Spurrier/Meyer have been vastly superior to anyone Georgia has had over that time span.
I think a program that has tons of potential to be great is Georgia. I'll never understand how Florida has won like 18 of the last 21 against them. Georgia is a very attractive school for a recruit and a coach.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:55 pm to ohiovol
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Michigan will be better than all those teams, save maybe Ohio State, by next year.
I have recorded this statement into my book!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:57 pm to Doc Fenton
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I have recorded this statement into my book!
Fair enough. Unless they lose a lot on offense, I have no problem standing by it.
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