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re: fumble or not?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:51 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:51 pm to Tennessee Jed
Even if one grants the fact that refs often blow calls, even upon review, has there been anyone in the media (national or local) who has questioned the ruling?
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:51 pm to WG_Dawg
I really don't think these guys understand that all that has to be happening is the ball is starting to come out prior to breaking the goal line. Just like any other fumble, if it is starting to come loose, iris a fumble.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:52 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I don't get what you are trying to argue here. At the half yardline the ball is coming out. Video proves that. I could post a picture from the 1.5 yard line and he probably has full possession, but so what? Possession was lost before the ball crossed the goal line. That picture is not near that point
The GIF video only proves that he is no longer holding the ball with his right hand. We can't tell from the GIF whether he still has possession of the ball with his left hand. The picture I provided shows that he does, or that it is not indisputable that he doesn't. The GIF is not good evidence to show that he fumbled. It's also not good evidence to show that he still had possession. The picture I found tends to show that he was gripping the ball by the tip with his left hand, but is ultimately inconclusive. So, the ruling on the field, whatever it was, should have stood. If it was called a fumble, it was a fumble. My understanding is that it was called a TD, and was overturned. BASED ON THE GIF AND PICTURE I POSTED ONLY, I disagree. Totally disputable.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:55 pm to KaiserSoze99
Your picture proves that his left hand is touching the ball between half a yard and yard from the goal line. Video proves even t that point possession is starting to be lost.
So I ask again, what are you arguing? Do we count TD's a yard in front now?
Professionals and almost everyone else disagree
So I ask again, what are you arguing? Do we count TD's a yard in front now?
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Totally disputable
Professionals and almost everyone else disagree
This post was edited on 10/7/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:56 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I really don't think these guys understand that all that has to be happening is the ball is starting to come out prior to breaking the goal line. Just like any other fumble, if it is starting to come loose, iris a fumble.
I do understand that, I am simply saying that there is no indisputable evidence in that GIF that it was "coming out" prior to crossing the plane. Thus, if the ruling on the field is a TD, that GIF is not enough to overturn it, as it is not indisputable that the ball was "coming out". A player maintains possession, even if it is with one hand holding the nose of the football.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:57 pm to KaiserSoze99
And again, professionals disagree with you.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:58 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Thus, if the ruling on the field is a TD, that GIF is not enough to overturn it, as it is not indisputable that the ball was "coming out".
And this is why I will continue to argue that replay officials shouldn't be watching GIFs to make their calls.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 4:59 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Professionals and almost everyone else disagree
Based on the GIF alone....get that clear....please....
If the professionals that never screw up, and all the homers who have an agenda believe that it was a fumble, then, hell, I guess I shouldn't bother to question it, right? Hell, why think for myself? I'll just go ahead and vote for Obama.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:00 pm to bamawriter
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And this is why I will continue to argue that replay officials shouldn't be watching GIFs to make their calls.
Agreed. I really wish somebody would show us a different angle. I got nothing but that GIF, which looks pretty clearly like a TD to me.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:02 pm to KaiserSoze99
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If the professionals that never screw up, and all the homers who have an agenda believe that it was a fumble, then, hell, I guess I shouldn't bother to question it, right? Hell, why think for myself? I'll just go ahead and vote for Obama.
The frick are you talking about? What agenda?
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Based on the GIF alone....get that clear....please....
K. Go to YouTube. Watch video. Hell, find the SC replay. Their slow motion video makes it quite obvious.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:06 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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K. Go to YouTube. Watch video. Hell, find the SC replay. Their slow motion video makes it quite obvious.
Already did. Got nothing. No replay. No game. No highlights. Nothing.
I said before, if I see something different from another angle, I am open to reconsider.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:06 pm to KaiserSoze99
Video
Start watching at 1:35:50
Start watching at 1:35:50
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:07 pm to FooManChoo
Thank you, Jesus. I will check it out.
(and no I was not referring to you when I said "Thank you, Jesus. You are probably a great guy and all, but not Jesus. HTH)
(and no I was not referring to you when I said "Thank you, Jesus. You are probably a great guy and all, but not Jesus. HTH)
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:09 pm to KaiserSoze99
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:09 pm to KaiserSoze99
Gotcha
I thought it was a fumble but I don't know. What matters is the result in the game. I'm not going to argue one way or the other.
I thought it was a fumble but I don't know. What matters is the result in the game. I'm not going to argue one way or the other.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:13 pm to FooManChoo
I just watched it on Youtube. The video makes it a little clearer when the ball came out of his left hand, and I do think it was probably out of his left hand before the tip of the ball hit the plane, but I'm not sure it's indisputable. Maybe. Very, very tough call.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:13 pm to FooManChoo
But what about the grassy knoll and the guy with the umbrella?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:17 pm to Prof
why is nobody laughing at my drawing I made, I spent 3 or 4 minutes on that.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:18 pm to WG_Dawg
I was going to at first, but then my short attention span took over.
This post was edited on 10/7/13 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:19 pm to WG_Dawg
It was good. No doubt.
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