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re: fumble or not?

Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:42 pm to
Posted by KaiserSoze99
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:42 pm to
I gave it a really good look. I watched it again, and again, and again. I watched at full speed. I watched at every angle multiple times.

Here's what I got.

The view from the GIF in the OP was not a direct angle. I was fortunate to get a better angle with these photos below. Here is my assessment.









Based on what I saw, which is not much different than the GIF, I still don't see indisputable evidence that the ball came out (or was coming out) of his left hand prior to the nose of the football touching the plane (the front of the goal line, not the back of it). I cannot see a loss of control until he flicks his hand in what appears like an attempt to put the ball on the turf in the endzone.

So, I gave it a really good look. I still don't see indisputable evidence of a fumble prior to crossing the FRONT of the goal line (check your rules if you doubt me). I would have confirmed the ruling on the field as a touchdown, but even if I didn't confirm, I still would not have had enough video evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, which was a touchdown called by a guy with a front row seat.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:43 pm to
You are really invested in this.
Posted by deNYEd
Houston
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:43 pm to
You have to be the most annoying fricking poster I've ever seen on here. Did you fricking snort a line before jumping in this thread?
Posted by Nortizzle
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:44 pm to
Touchdown
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:45 pm to
None of those pictures looks like he has control of it. Maybe knowing that he lost control of it shortly after after makes it seem that he doesn't have control before the GL.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:46 pm to


No, he doesnt.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

You have to be the most annoying fricking poster I've ever seen on here. Did you fricking snort a line before jumping in this thread?

Thank you.

I just hate being wrong. What can I say?
Posted by lsutothetop
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:47 pm to
Looks like Jordan Jefferson throwing

Illegal forward pass
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:47 pm to
quote:

I just hate being wrong.


Guess what...you are wrong.

And when you go to bed tonight...it is still a fumble.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:48 pm to
That's why this picture:



Is so important. That looks like he still has control, holding the ball by the nose with his finger tips.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

You are really invested in this.
No shite...
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86500 posts
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:49 pm to


This is a good one. Look at his thumb. You can say that in the VERY EARLY stages of the reach out, he was grasping the football by the side using a cone of all his fingers with the thumb on top for leverage.

Look at his thumb here, it is no longer being used to grasp the football. Look at where his glove starts on his wrists..you can pretty easily surmise where his fingers are. Based on this picture, there's no way he is grasping the football. And again, the whole key here is POSSESSION. Is he possessing the football there, or merely touching it?

That picture does not show someone in possession of a football. And if you were to fast forward a few milliseconds until the very instant before the ball crossed the front plane, the "possession" would be even less.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:50 pm to
That picture is awful, it's on the other side of the fricking field. You don't know where he is in relation to the goal line.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:51 pm to
It was a fumble and it's not even debatable.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:52 pm to
That photo appears to be quite a ways from the GL.
Posted by dallasga6
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

RummelTiger
Anchor??? please...
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:53 pm to
quote:




quote:

Is so important. That looks like he still has control, holding the ball by the nose with his finger tips.




I'd say that this picture is the most unimportant one that has been posted. There is literally nothing useful to take away from that picture.
Posted by Bassmanbruno
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:54 pm to
That's actually the most useful picture posted.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86500 posts
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:55 pm to
quote:

It was a fumble


Yep.

quote:

and it's not even debatable


THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40016 posts
Posted on 10/7/13 at 5:55 pm to
How so? It doesn't show where he's at on the field.
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