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re: Does Calipari deserve National Coach of the Year?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So do us all a favor, take your stalker cap off, and go the frick away if you have nothing better to contribute then bitching about a Kentucky fan posting about Cal in a thread about Cal. Your schtick is fricking tired and for someone who wants to call me an attention whore you can't help but follow me around.
Boom, Belle just laid it down!
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So because he does a part of his job better than anyone in the country, he shouldn't get COY?
No, but knowing that he's got benefits that no one has ever had before?
You guys keep saying recruiting is part of coaching...it's not. Recruiting is part of being a coach. Coaching is what happens on the court. In practice. Etc.
Now, I'm not saying that Cal is a bad COACH at all. He's a very good coach. But comparing his team to ANY other team in college isn't apples to apples, not at all.
He can be recruiter of the year, IMO. That's his reward. And the wins. And the money. And the recognition. But COACHING? I think that's a slap in the face of the hundreds of other coaches who will NEVER have a chance to go undefeated because they will NEVER have a chance to accumulate the roster of All-Americans (because they can't recruit on the level of UK). Have a roster of misfits that won 12 games last year? Step in as a first year coach and lead them to, say, 28 wins and a NCAA tourney birth? Psh - sorry. That's WAY less impressive than a coach who lead his team to it's expected path with a roster full of NBA players.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:46 pm to HogBalls
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Why can't he teach him how to shoot then? If it's not a dunk or lay up then WCS is helpless as a scorer. Super coach Cal can't coach him up to hit a 10' jump shot?
So according to you, no coach should with COTY unless they successfully teach their centers to hit a 10' jump shot?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:51 pm to ocelot4ark
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He can be recruiter of the year, IMO. That's his reward. And the wins. And the money. And the recognition. But COACHING? I think that's a slap in the face of the hundreds of other coaches who will NEVER have a chance to go undefeated because they will NEVER have a chance to accumulate the roster of All-Americans (because they can't recruit on the level of UK). Have a roster of misfits that won 12 games last year? Step in as a first year coach and lead them to, say, 28 wins and a NCAA tourney birth? Psh - sorry. That's WAY less impressive than a coach who lead his team to it's expected path with a roster full of NBA players.
So he just rolls the balls out ah?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:53 pm to gumbeaux
Probably. The only reservation I have is that his job wasn't nearly as hard as others. We all knew preseason what this UK team could and would do. At the same time, you don't compile a perfect record (so far) without being a damned good coach even with a roster like that.
As for criteria... I wish the COY peeps would pay more mind to how tough a job is. A lot of good coaches get ignored despite pulling off the impossible with their respective rosters. Too often only coaches of teams who reach the highest level get recognized. And that's not to say Cal shouldn't be recognized just that I think in general the COY goes to winning teams regardless of what a coach does and his/her performance.
As for criteria... I wish the COY peeps would pay more mind to how tough a job is. A lot of good coaches get ignored despite pulling off the impossible with their respective rosters. Too often only coaches of teams who reach the highest level get recognized. And that's not to say Cal shouldn't be recognized just that I think in general the COY goes to winning teams regardless of what a coach does and his/her performance.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:54 pm to sms151t
Maybe with her jumping your shite and making you look stupid will teach you to mind your own business. 
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:59 pm to HogBalls
Lotta angry Hogs in here. Why?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:00 pm to gumbeaux
I'm not reading this but I don't see how this can even be questioned if they finish undefeated
ETA unless you don't consider recruiting part of coaching which it appears some being quoted on this page don't
ETA unless you don't consider recruiting part of coaching which it appears some being quoted on this page don't
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:06 pm to Prof
FWIW, I don't think Cal is the only guy deserving. I think I'd have to give the nod to Ryan over Brey though.
As far as difficulty, I think there's different difficulties at respective jobs. At somewhere like ND, Brey has been there since 2000 and this was his first Elite Eight. You can get away with that there and while you may not have the talent Cal or Coach K has you do tend to have guys for 4 years in your system and have the luxury of having some down years while developing those guys.
At somewhere like UK, you have Stephen A. Smith coming out on ESPN to say Cal almost got fired last season. You have the talent but you have a whole lot of bullshite that goes with it. And these kids don't play in a bubble. They watch ESPN, they're on Twitter, etc.
As far as difficulty, I think there's different difficulties at respective jobs. At somewhere like ND, Brey has been there since 2000 and this was his first Elite Eight. You can get away with that there and while you may not have the talent Cal or Coach K has you do tend to have guys for 4 years in your system and have the luxury of having some down years while developing those guys.
At somewhere like UK, you have Stephen A. Smith coming out on ESPN to say Cal almost got fired last season. You have the talent but you have a whole lot of bullshite that goes with it. And these kids don't play in a bubble. They watch ESPN, they're on Twitter, etc.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:07 pm to DBU
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So according to you, no coach should with COTY unless they successfully teach their centers to hit a 10' jump shot?
I never said that. Go back and read all of mine and her exchanges before commenting.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So he just rolls the balls out ah?
Are you really this fricking stupid?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:15 pm to ocelot4ark
You're the one saying that Cal isn't a good coach just because he's a good recruiter.
ETA: And we're not talking about your typical championship season. Of the countless Hall of Fame coaches we've seen, Cal has the opportunity to do what no one has in almost 40 years. And there's been some very good college squads in that time in terms of talent.
ETA: And we're not talking about your typical championship season. Of the countless Hall of Fame coaches we've seen, Cal has the opportunity to do what no one has in almost 40 years. And there's been some very good college squads in that time in terms of talent.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You're the one saying that Cal isn't a good coach just because he's a good recruiter.
I ask you again. Are you really this fricking stupid? My comments are in black and white. Read them this time?
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ETA: And we're not talking about your typical championship season. Of the countless Hall of Fame coaches we've seen, Cal has the opportunity to do what no one has in almost 40 years. And there's been some very good college squads in that time in terms of talent.
He's already done what no one has done - recruit an NBA basketball team.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:25 pm to ocelot4ark
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But COACHING?
idk how some of you still doubt he's a great coach. Kids and kid's parents choose a school based on how well their kid will be coached. Good recruiters who are HCs are generally good coaches. How does one become a good recruiter? It takes W's. How do you attain W's? By coaching well.
And for the second time, he has had 2 undefeated regular seasons at frickin UMass and Memphis. I mean what other proof do you need?
I'll show you some anyway. Here is Cal's accolades before he was the coach at UK:
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University of Massachusetts[edit]
From 1988 to 1996 at UMass, Calipari led the Minutemen program to five consecutive Atlantic 10 titles and NCAA Tournament appearances, including periods where the program was ranked first nationally. He finished with a 193–71 record overall, with a 91–41 record in Atlantic 10 conference games. Calipari was named Atlantic 10 Coach of the Year in 1992, 1993, and 1996. He was also named the Naismith, NABC, Basketball Times & Sporting News National Coach of the Year in 1996. He led UMass to its first-ever appearance in the Final Four with the play of the John R. Wooden Award winner and Naismith College Player of the Year Marcus Camby, although this appearance was later vacated by the NCAA because Camby had accepted about $28,000 from two sports agents who were luring him to enter the NBA draft after his Sophomore season.[10]
he was also one technical away from making the title game vs Duke in 1992. Yes, the buzzer beater by CL game. He lost on a technical foul for leaving the coaches box.
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In 1993, UMass defeated defending NCAA champion and preseason #1 North Carolina in the pre-season NIT in Madison Square Garden. The following year #3 UMass defeated defending NCAA champion and #1 Arkansas in the Hall of Fame Tip-Off classic, which resulted in UMass becoming the first New England college basketball team to be voted #1 in the Associated Press poll.
maybe this is why Hogs dislike Cal so much.
He had Camby on UMass, but you count discount the fact that he was able to get Marcus friggin Camby to play at UMass. He's recruited well everywhere and coached well everywhere.
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By winning both the Atlantic 10 regular season and conference tournament championships from 1992-1996, UMass became the second team in college basketball history to win 5 consecutive regular season and conference tournament championships (NC State was the first.)
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In Calipari's first nine years as head coach at Memphis, he won 214 games (38 wins were vacated), posted seven consecutive 20-win seasons, plus one more in his final season (including an NCAA record four consecutive 30-win seasons, though the third season was vacated and this record no longer holds) and earned seven consecutive postseason bids (plus one in his final season). His 2007–2008 team's 38 victories set a new NCAA Division I Men's Basketball record for most victories in a season, a record that now belongs to the 2011–2012 Kentucky Wildcats due to NCAA violations that vacated all of Memphis' wins. The nine consecutive 20-win seasons and the nine consecutive postseason appearances would have been the most in school history, though that officially stands now at seven because of the vacated 2007–08 season. He was named Conference USA Coach of the Year in 2006, 2008, and 2009. In 2008, he was named Naismith College Coach of the Year, receiving the honor for the second time.[15] In 2009, he was named Sports Illustrated College Basketball Coach of the Year.[16]
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:28 pm to ocelot4ark
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But COACHING? I think that's a slap in the face of the hundreds of other coaches who will NEVER have a chance to go undefeated because they will NEVER have a chance to accumulate the roster of All-Americans (because they can't recruit on the level of UK
this is such a weird line of thinking. If Cal can recruit at the highest level at UMass and memphis, then other coaches can recruit just as well at their respective schools. No matter how much you backtrack, you're absolutely discounting his ability to coach because he's a great recruiter. You don't get the consistent results he's had in college by being 1 dimensional.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:29 pm to cas4t
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idk how some of you still doubt he's a great coach.
You're replying to my and from the VERY SAME comment I say, "Now, I'm not saying that Cal is a bad COACH at all. He's a very good coach. But comparing his team to ANY other team in college isn't apples to apples, not at all."
No one, LITERALLY no one, is saying Cal is a bad coach.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:31 pm to ocelot4ark
You also said the fact that he can recruit NBA talent is a slap in the face to other coaches who can't get NBA talent. I understand this line of thinking if he'd only done it at UK, given they're a powerhouse. But he's done it everywhere.
It's amazing to me that anyone can think a coach doesn't deserve COY if they go 40-0. I mean, come on..
eta I haven't read the whole thread, so if I've misunderstood you, then I apologize. But it's crazy to think that people out there don't think he's a top 2-3 coach in the country. It's not like he just sits on the sidelines and watches his NBA team go win 40 games. He's one of the most active and vocal coaches I've ever seen.
It's amazing to me that anyone can think a coach doesn't deserve COY if they go 40-0. I mean, come on..
eta I haven't read the whole thread, so if I've misunderstood you, then I apologize. But it's crazy to think that people out there don't think he's a top 2-3 coach in the country. It's not like he just sits on the sidelines and watches his NBA team go win 40 games. He's one of the most active and vocal coaches I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:34 pm to cas4t
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highest level
THIS is the highest level. It's a roster that has no equal in modern college basketball. Umass & Memphis were not "recruited at the highest level."
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then other coaches can recruit just as well at their respective schools.
Well, since the level Cal's reached has never been done before, I'm just going to say "bullshite."
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No matter how much you backtrack, you're absolutely discounting his ability to coach because he's a great recruiter. You don't get the consistent results he's had in college by being 1 dimensional.
1) I haven't had to backtrack at all. I HAVE had to point some people who can't read so good back to my actual comments and ask them to read them again. Does that count?
2) I'm not discounting his ABILITY to coach at all. I'm giving weight to his recruiting instead of ignoring it. Basicalky, instead of being a 1-step, lowest common denominator kind of person, I'm trying to apply some measure of relativity so that these discussions are actually meaningful. Otherwise, just give the fricking award to whoever wins the tournament.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:36 pm to cas4t
quote:The talent the man has cultivated at 3 completely different programs couple with his ability to win at a super high level at those programs on a consistant basis speaks volumes for how he can COACH. Calapari is an elite coach and he has proven the deserves to coach at an elite school.
this is such a weird line of thinking. If Cal can recruit at the highest level at UMass and memphis, then other coaches can recruit just as well at their respective schools. No matter how much you backtrack, you're absolutely discounting his ability to coach because he's a great recruiter. You don't get the consistent results he's had in college by being 1 dimensional.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:37 pm to ocelot4ark
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2) I'm not discounting his ABILITY to coach at all.
Except you are when you say it's a slap in the face to other coaches that he's being selected at a COY.
You're literally punishing him for doing part of his job better than anyone in the country, recruiting. This isn't X's and O's COY.
ETA: And for the sake of talent comparison, he's not the only coach in the Final Four with 9 McDonald's All-Americans on the roster either. He likely won't have the POY on his roster either with Okafor and Kaminsky playing elsewhere.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:40 pm
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