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Does Calipari deserve National Coach of the Year?

Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:12 am
Posted by gumbeaux
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:12 am
What should go into the selection of COY? I am using Calipari as an example.

Should it be the ability to recruit and amass elite talent or should it be developing lesser talented players into a winning team in conjunction with in game coaching?

I guess I am wondering how good a coach Calipari really is. Does he have the ability to develop and coach lesser talented players and win games like most other coaches are expected to do?
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:17 am to
I gotta go with mike brey. ND was awesome, won the ACC, took UK to the wire with a handful of white boys and about 7 less players.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:19 am to
Cal is about to go undefeated. Of course he deseveres it.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:19 am to
The "he can't coach" argument has to be one of the dumbest ones out there. There's as much coaching in getting top guys to put aside the egos and buy into your system as there is coaching up lesser talent. I think he also gets undervalued as a defensive coach. And whether people like it or not, recruiting is part of coaching.

He has a team that's already set a historic win record, could potentially go undefeated, and has a historically good defense. He deserves it as much as anyone else.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 7:20 am
Posted by LC412000
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:21 am to
Coach Brey and if not then Coach Calipari
Posted by gumbeaux
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:22 am to
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The "he can't coach" argument has to be one of the dumbest ones out there. There's as much coaching in getting top guys to put aside the egos and buy into your system as there is coaching up lesser talent. I think he also gets undervalued as a defensive coach. And whether people like it or not, recruiting is part of coaching.


I.was thinking the same thing.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:32 am to
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Should it be the ability to recruit and amass elite talent


It's funny some think that's all he does. It speaks volumes that a team full of all-stars have bought into a team effort and don't complain about a lack of minutes, all while keeping focus. Any coach that runs the table deserves coach of the year.

ETA: I'm not saying you're in this school of thought, but it does seem to be a talking point for some.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 7:34 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:35 am to
I'll also say he did a fantastic job with guys like Deandre Liggins, Josh Harrellson, and Darius Miller along the way. There was a point in time I didn't know if Miller would ever recover from the shite that went on under Gillispie. If Cal doesn't really get in his head and push him, he definitely doesn't make it to a NBA roster. So he's capable of dealing with lesser talent.

Sure there are guys that are better X's and O's guys. But coaching isn't just the plays you draw up. And if making an undefeated run as easy, no matter the talent on the roster, more coaches would've done it by now.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 7:36 am
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 7:39 am to
No, but I don't believe cheaters should be rewarded.





Posted by Scoreboard
Madison, AL
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:46 am to
Maybe co-winners - Cal and WWW

Or even Tri-winners - Cal, WWW and Mike Slime for hiring - or allowing Kentucky to hire - their own personal referees
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 8:49 am
Posted by LegendOfCobb
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:53 am to
quote:


Scoreboard

Maybe co-winners - Cal and WWW

Or even Tri-winners - Cal, WWW and Mike Slime for hiring - or allowing Kentucky to hire - their own personal referees


Interesting name. And relevant.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 8:54 am
Posted by swinetime
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:10 am to
NO, next question
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:11 am to
quote:

The "he can't coach" argument has to be one of the dumbest ones out there. There's as much coaching in getting top guys to put aside the egos and buy into your system as there is coaching up lesser talent. And whether people like it or not, recruiting is part of coaching.
fricking DITTO for Nick Saban.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:13 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94792 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:12 am to
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took UK to the wire with a handful of white boys and about 7 less players.
So is creating the team not part of a coaches job as well? I didnt realize coaches show up on game 1 with their teams picked for them by a third party. Interesting
Posted by RECConspiracy
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
2071 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:14 am to
How do you not give it to Cal if he wins the tourney with no losses the entire year?

It's truly amazing. It's like Secretariat was to horse racing.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:15 am
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:15 am to
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I gotta go with mike brey. ND was awesome, won the ACC, took UK to the wire with a handful of white boys and about 7 less players.






What is Mike Brey and his team doing today? What is John Calipari and his team doing today?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70878 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:15 am to
quote:

I guess I am wondering how good a coach Calipari really is. Does he have the ability to develop and coach lesser talented players and win games like most other coaches are expected to do?


he had a undefeated regular season at UMass…
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
79024 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:16 am to
I think both Cal and Saban are excellent coaches. But, it's undeniable that media + the stature of the school played huge into both being able to recruit the way they do. Take it away and they're still great, but Saban had plenty of peers before he was combined with Alabama and ESPN started doing his recruiting for him. Same goes for Cal. Now, as a result, those guys have few if any peers.

But, like I've said many times, working the media and choosing the right job are parts of it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94792 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:17 am to
I just dont get that people suck Izzo off because he makes final fours with less talent, but hate on Cal for winning championships with elite talent. Maybe Izzo should get better at recruiting
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70878 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:17 am to
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fricking DITTO for Nick Saban.



true

but Calipari has had less head-scratchers than Saban IMO
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