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re: Does Calipari deserve National Coach of the Year?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:24 am to HogBalls
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:24 am to HogBalls
No, it's probably harder than dealing with a bunch of beta try-hards.
You need to have both the yin and the yang of coaching down pat to be successful. He hasn't lost. I'd say he's got both.
You need to have both the yin and the yang of coaching down pat to be successful. He hasn't lost. I'd say he's got both.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:24 am to HogBalls
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This statement is freakin hilarious. So you think getting 7 or 8 All American future NBA players to leave their egos in the locker room is equal to a coach putting the X's & O's in place to put 7 or 8 student athletes in position to compete at the same level??? You can't be serious.
If it was easy to control the egos then Ben Howland would still be at UCLA.
And yes, I think it takes a significant amount of coaching to get these young guys to buy in, over the course of one or two seasons, to the point that they're playing good defense and making strong tournament runs. For a lot of coaches it takes a couple years just to get guys in the habit of prepping for game days, staying disciplined in their approach outside of the structure of practice (i.e. When you're on a slump, go to the gym after hours and work on your shot), and being able to run practice with consistency. Much less getting them to play as a team and at a championship level.
Do you not think that takes a good amount of coaching?
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:49 am to gumbeaux
Kentucky is 38-0 and you honestly don't think Cal has anything to do with that other than recruit elite talent?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:02 am to BluegrassBelle
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If it was easy to control the egos then Ben Howland would still be at UCLA. And yes, I think it takes a significant amount of coaching to get these young guys to buy in, over the course of one or two seasons, to the point that they're playing good defense and making strong tournament runs. For a lot of coaches it takes a couple years just to get guys in the habit of prepping for game days, staying disciplined in their approach outside of the structure of practice (i.e. When you're on a slump, go to the gym after hours and work on your shot), and being able to run practice with consistency. Much less getting them to play as a team and at a championship level. Do you not think that takes a good amount of coaching?
No I don't because Calipari can hit them where it hurts if they don't buy it. Which is their playing time which effects their draft stock. He has them by the balls, don't buy in to the system and he puts them on the bench and replaces them with another 7 foot All American. He has shown this during the games this year. They do something stupid or make a bad play and they are instantly on the bench and replaced.
It's pretty simple, either buy in and do exactly what I want or you don't get the minutes which effect draft stock. When you come to Kentucky for one reason and one reason only is to get to the NBA, Calipari has them over a barrel with minutes you play. They have no choice other than to buy in.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:08 am to HogBalls
So I guess the depth he has just showed up on their own, runs practices on their own, learned all that defense on their own, and so on?
The fact that some of your biases blind you that much is hilarious.
The fact that some of your biases blind you that much is hilarious.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:14 am to BluegrassBelle
You think that Cal taught them defense? Taught them how to practice and basically play basketball? I wonder how they ever made All American without Cal? Glad Cal stepped in and saved them. 
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:15 am to BluegrassBelle
If Cal goes 38-0 it's his. It's been 40 yrs since anyone went undefeated and it is probably more difficult today with so much parity.
But all things being equal I'd rather take my chances with Cal's roster than Brey's. That's all I'm saying. Not sure where the LSU guy is going. And I can't imagine you would disagree with that.
But all things being equal I'd rather take my chances with Cal's roster than Brey's. That's all I'm saying. Not sure where the LSU guy is going. And I can't imagine you would disagree with that.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:17 am to HogBalls
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You think that Cal taught them defense?
Have you ever watched an AAU game?
ETA: Better yet, have you watched the difference on defense with WCS between this season and the last? He's not just some tall kid that stands out there with his hands up.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:18 am to gumbeaux
Recruiting is part of coaching. COY should go to whoever did the overall best job. That is unquestionably Cal this year. I have never understood people who say "well he only wins because of all that talent." Coaches are the reason the talent is there. Recruiting is their primary job 3/4 of the year.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:21 am to BluegrassBelle
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My counter to that is at ND in basketball there's a lot less outside "chatter" around the program. It's not easy to play in the fishbowl at UK with the media, the fans, and the expectations. It takes a good coach to be able to keep them from running off the rails with all of that going on.
And even a good coach has a few that derail in the process. Hell, we've had 3 in the last week and school isn't even out.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:28 am to Monticello
You give that roster to Johnny Jones and they'd have a few losses and likely not in the FF4
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:29 am to RT1941
Just put it this way........we're currently watching something that's never been done before and with 2 more wins, it will likely be something that will never be done again.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:35 am to BluegrassBelle
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ETA: Better yet, have you watched the difference on defense with WCS between this season and the last? He's not just some tall kid that stands out there with his hands up.
Why can't he teach him how to shoot then? If it's not a dunk or lay up then WCS is helpless as a scorer. Super coach Cal can't coach him up to hit a 10' jump shot?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:37 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:You can't debate with someone who is blinded by petty jealousy. Take my word for it, rivals will do everything in their power to diminish, trivialize, and criticize a winning program.
Have you ever watched an AAU game? ETA: Better yet, have you watched the difference on defense with WCS between this season and the last? He's not just some tall kid that stands out there with his hands up.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:40 am to HogBalls
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Why can't he teach him how to shoot then? If it's not a dunk or lay up then WCS is helpless as a scorer. Super coach Cal can't coach him up to hit a 10' jump shot?
So now Cal has to coach the perfect player in order to be COY?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:44 am to BluegrassBelle
In any other year I would say yes he probably does.
This year though no. I think it deserves to go to Bob McKillop. They were picked near last aftr moving to A-10 won the A-10 went to the NCAA Tourney.
Cal's group was picked to win the SEC, SECT, and The NCAAT.
If you have to have it from a Power Conference then Turgeon should get it. They went from an also ran at Maryland to being 2nd in the best conference in the Country (based off the FF)
This year though no. I think it deserves to go to Bob McKillop. They were picked near last aftr moving to A-10 won the A-10 went to the NCAA Tourney.
Cal's group was picked to win the SEC, SECT, and The NCAAT.
If you have to have it from a Power Conference then Turgeon should get it. They went from an also ran at Maryland to being 2nd in the best conference in the Country (based off the FF)
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:45 am to gumbeaux
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What should go into the selection of COY?
In 2006, Donovan took a team that was unranked and picked to finish outside the top 5 in the SEC and won a national title. Roy Williams won COY. The thing is a crap shoot and makes little sense. Hell it took Donovan 15 years to be named COY in the SEC.
If you manage to go undefeated you deserve to be COY, no matter your history.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:45 am to RT1941
This is about Calipari if you can't tell. Guess what? Not everything is about Alabama and Saban so take your BAMA/Saban obsession somewhere else if you can't stick to the OP.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:48 am to gumbeaux
Absolutely. I don't understand why the ability to recruit shouldn't count as being a coach. He recruited well, and then got a bunch of talented high school kids to chill with their egos and play as a team. I can't stand that greasy man, but he definitely deserves COY.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:52 am to HogBalls
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Why can't he teach him how to shoot then? If it's not a dunk or lay up then WCS is helpless as a scorer. Super coach Cal can't coach him up to hit a 10' jump shot?
From Bob Hurley Sr about Towns:
"I've always felt he had unlimited potential," Hurley said, "but this transformation from last year to this year has been incredible. He's completely changed his mindset about where he's playing the game of basketball. I didn't think he could go from shooting 3s to being this dominant around the basket. I want to write John Calipari a note to say this is the most amazing transformation I've seen.
"We played against [Andrew] Bynum twice, and Towns is much further along in his career at the same stage. In my mind, he's the No. 1 pick in the draft. [Duke's Jahlil] Okafor is a more polished offensive player, but Towns is a better defender, rebounder and foul shooter, and is a bit more versatile now. He's personable, a great interview, plays with passion, and has a more outgoing personality than most big kids do. You can put him on the Knicks and he's an NBA All-Star."
I guess Cal had nothing at all to do with this transformation.
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