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re: Bruce Feldman tweets "Will Muschamp deal to Auburn getting closer"
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'm still holding to the fact that Auburn, more than any other school, has had to compete with Saban for top defensive talent on the recruiting trail as the cause of the decline of our defense. He gets to take his pick of the top physical and MENTAL talent. VanGorder, Roof, and Johnson certainly didn't competing with him....the dude can almost guarantee a ticket to the league...
Thats the major thing I think Muschamp brings to the table. He may not be able to beat Saban every time on the trail, but he has a hell of a lot better shot than the three previous guys...
Thats the major thing I think Muschamp brings to the table. He may not be able to beat Saban every time on the trail, but he has a hell of a lot better shot than the three previous guys...
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
Is it true what I'm hearing about not wanting to let go of some staff such as Garner.....and Muschamp wanting free reign over his defensive staff?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:05 am to OldPete
quote:Auburn hasn't had a "bad/shitty" DC since Tubs left. Roof/BVG/Ellis are all solid DC's - they don't just show up on the Plains and forget how to coach a damn defense, they've been in the college game for a long time, they are seasoned coaches. But when you run a coaching carosel with a different scheme every two years and different position coaches you can't expect to field a consistant defense.
Muschamp would be a good hire...and if Kirby Smart had left for a HC job, Muschamp would be the first guy I'd want as DC. As a Bama fan, I'm not excited 'bout the possibility of Muschamp coming to AU...but then again, I wasn't excited to see y'all get Ellis Johnson a couple of years ago either...
The bigger question is, if hired, how long will Muschamp be there and does he have the personnel there to run his defense? While Johnson wasn't a good head coach, he still knew defense and he didn't become stupid all of a sudden. While I can see why he was let go, 2 years isn't a lot of time to install your defense with most players recruited by the previous DC (who ran a different scheme)...
I think Muschamp would be the best hire AU could make right now...and even if he isn't there long, he'd have the D playing more aggressive while he was and he'd have an instant impact on recruiting...
Auburn needs coaching stability, they need to have patience with the staff and give them time to build. Muschamp is a great hire, but he will go the way of the other DC's, he'll be gone within 2 yrs and AU will be starting over yet again.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:05 am to NutBunnies
Garner has already said he would move to TE/ST coach.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:07 am to MrAUTigers
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Garner has already said he would move to TE/ST coach.
Is that really what we need? TE/ST? has he ever played or coached those positions?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:07 am to Lg
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I thought Van Gorder was pretty intense.
That whole 2012 season such a cluster it didn't matter. Everyone quit after the LSU game which was in September.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:08 am to RT1941
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Roof/BVG/Ellis are all solid DC's - they don't just show up on the Plains and forget how to coach a damn defense, they've been in the college game for a long time, they are seasoned coaches.
.....and two of those three had Chiz meddling. Chiz was a very solid DC, but is not a good HC. The thing Gus has going for him.....he does not meddle, at all, with the D. BOOM can come in and run his D however he wants with nobody looking over his shoulder.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:09 am to NutBunnies
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Is that really what we need? TE/ST? has he ever played or coached those positions?
Coached, yes.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:11 am to NutBunnies
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Garner has already said he would move to TE/ST coach.
Is that really what we need? TE/ST? has he ever played or coached those positions?
Yes, he coached tight ends at AU under both Pat Dye and Bowden.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:11 am to NutBunnies
Yes he has:
1996-1997 Offensive Tackle Coach & Tight Ends Coach Tennessee
1990-1995 Recruiting Coordinator & Tight Ends Coach Auburn
1996-1997 Offensive Tackle Coach & Tight Ends Coach Tennessee
1990-1995 Recruiting Coordinator & Tight Ends Coach Auburn
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:11 am to NutBunnies
quote:I imagine Muschamp will want full control of the defense and the position coaches.
Is it true what I'm hearing about not wanting to let go of some staff such as Garner.....and Muschamp wanting free reign over his defensive staff?
Hell, Ellis Johnson gets the blame and lost his job but the position coaches should get the brunt of the blame IMO. They are either incompetent in preparing and training their players or they were insubordinate and refused to do what the DC required of them. Poor fundamentals, poor execution, stupid penalties, taking bad angles, out of postion falls on the assistants shoulders - the overall scheme falls on the DC.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:13 am to DuncanIdaho
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Coached, yes.
Ok final question, and I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking this guy.....But was he any good at coaching those positions? At this point, with the money Auburn is paying out for coaches, they need to be some of the top coaches of their positions outside of the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:14 am to RT1941
Ellis Johnson hired his staff.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:15 am to MrAUTigers
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with the D. BOOM can come in and run his D however he wants with nobody looking over his shoulder.
If he has to practice his D against that O with any consistency, his defense will be just like the others.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:17 am to Lg
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If he has to practice his D against that O with any consistency, his defense will be just like the others.
Tell Dabo that.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:17 am to RT1941
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I imagine Muschamp will want full control of the defense and the position coaches.
This.
Kinda hard to being the The Guy (even at Texas - on the defensive side, to an extent), to being told what to do. Is Gus looking to take more control now?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:20 am to MrAUTigers
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Roof/BVG/Ellis are all solid DC's - they don't just show up on the Plains and forget how to coach a damn defense, they've been in the college game for a long time, they are seasoned coaches.
quote:I see what you are saying. Bama just operates from a completely different approach.
.....and two of those three had Chiz meddling. Chiz was a very solid DC, but is not a good HC. The thing Gus has going for him.....he does not meddle, at all, with the D. BOOM can come in and run his D however he wants with nobody looking over his shoulder.
Our HC has his hands in every aspect of the team. I promise you Nick Saban is looking over everyone's shoulders and he has his hands in the offense/defense/special teams/trainers all the way down to the damn water boy. Saban is OCD though, so his way works best for his program.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:21 am to Lg
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with the D. BOOM can come in and run his D however he wants with nobody looking over his shoulder.
If he has to practice his D against that O with any consistency, his defense will be just like the others.
So our offense is the problem with the defense...
. Ole Miss has a really good defense & they don't run any power I or two tight end sets. They try to beat you on the edge. Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:24 am to Bham4Tide
quote:Poster above says no. Gus will not medddle, will not look over the DC's shoulder and will allow him to run his defense without hinderance of any kind from the HC.
This.
Kinda hard to being the The Guy (even at Texas - on the defensive side, to an extent), to being told what to do. Is Gus looking to take more control now?
Can you imagine how hard it would be for Nick to stay out of the offense/special teams functions? Hell, he even has the equipment managers and waterboys under his microscope.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:27 am to RT1941
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Auburn needs coaching stability, they need to have patience with the staff and give them time to build
How many OC's has Bama had during Saban's time as HC?
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