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re: Bama's Dee Milliner Potential 2013 #1 Overall Pick?
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:33 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:33 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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They are looking at Matt Cassel, who is a WCO QB.
Idk if that's legit. Supposedly they are running a vertical passing offense. Can't really do that with a WC QB.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:33 pm to adammwilson
I think the best move is to draft one of the other guys that you can get in the 2nd round or later. But I'm also not in a position to say if any of those guys are worth it. If they think Barkley or Smith is the best QB in the draft by a decent margin it will be hard for all those teams to pass I think.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:34 pm to thefloydian
I think the Cards can get Geno if they sit tight as long as the Eagles pass on him (I think they will)
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:35 pm to adammwilson
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When you think about it not that many teams really need a QB.
Chiefs
Bills
Jets?
Browns?
Cardinals
Eagles?
Chiefs got their QB. Bills seem comfortable with Fitzpatrick, at least through this trainwreck of a QB draft. Jets are a definitely on the lookout. Browns as well with new guys in. Cardinals are obvious. Eagles, who knows what route they go.
I tihnk you can add the Jags, but they are so far up in this draft I'm not sure they take a QB. Gabbert is flat out terrible, but they maybe feel like they wont be any improved from the QBs in this draft at the #2 spot.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:37 pm to adammwilson
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I think the Cards can get Geno if they sit tight as long as the Eagles pass on him (I think they will)
Yeah, probably.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:38 pm to adammwilson
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Idk if that's legit. Supposedly they are running a vertical passing offense. Can't really do that with a WC QB.
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The Cardinals are performing due diligence on Cassel with the idea of "not instead of Kevin Kolb but alongside him," NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Thursday on "NFL Total Access." New head coach Bruce Arians likes Kolb, who is expected to take a pay cut to remain on the roster for the 2013 season.
Kolb is a WCO QB as well, and so is Nick Foles.
Seems like a lot of west coast QBs are being connected to Arians.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:41 pm to thunderbird1100
Mazzone is getting connected to Ryan Nassib with the Bills' 2nd pick, which could happen.
Jets seem set on bringing in a ton of QBs for camp rather than putting faith into 1 QB. Talk of at least 5 guys in camp for the job. Jeff Garcia will probably be there as a coach body.
ETA: Although, smokescreen.
Jets seem set on bringing in a ton of QBs for camp rather than putting faith into 1 QB. Talk of at least 5 guys in camp for the job. Jeff Garcia will probably be there as a coach body.
ETA: Although, smokescreen.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:46 pm to thunderbird1100
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Chiefs got their QB.
you think they are satisfied with not adding competition?
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I tihnk you can add the Jags, but they are so far up in this draft I'm not sure they take a QB. Gabbert is flat out terrible, but they maybe feel like they wont be any improved from the QBs in this draft at the #2 spot.
everything I've read says they are giving him at least one more year
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Bills seem comfortable with Fitzpatrick, at least through this trainwreck of a QB draft.
They've made quite a few statements to the contrary. Most seem to think they will take care of QB in rd 2.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:48 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Kolb is a WCO QB as well, and so is Nick Foles.
Seems like a lot of west coast QBs are being connected to Arians.
Both are capable, especially Foles, of playing outside the scheme. Barkley isn't very scheme versatile. As I mentioned earlier, Arians is looking to bring his verticle passing game to AZ as he did in Pitt and Indy.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:52 pm to MagillaGuerilla
I wonder what teams will hold out for the QB draft next year. It should be much better, depending on early entrants...
Senior QB class
Possible early entrants could include Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Brett Hundley, Braxton Miller and that senior list doesn't include Casey Pachall who will be a senior and is definitely a NFL prospect.
Senior QB class
Possible early entrants could include Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Brett Hundley, Braxton Miller and that senior list doesn't include Casey Pachall who will be a senior and is definitely a NFL prospect.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:53 pm to thunderbird1100
I think JFF stays for a RS Junior Season. The top three QBs will be Bridgewater, McCarron, and Murray, and you can't go wrong with any of those three.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:55 pm to thunderbird1100
That's a much better class just on paper.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:55 pm to adammwilson
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you think they are satisfied with not adding competition?
To Alex Smith? He is their starting QB, no doubt about it.
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everything I've read says they are giving him at least one more year
Pretty much what I expected, they will regret it, and everyone sees how terrible Gabbert is, but waiting till next year is probably the right thing for both Gabbert and getting a better QB.
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They've made quite a few statements to the contrary. Most seem to think they will take care of QB in rd 2.
That tells me they're pretty comfortable. They could probably get any QB they wanted in Rd.1, but aren't willing to take the risk. If they get a steal in Rd.2, so be it, if he cant beat out Fitzpatrick as a Rd.2 guy, also not a huge loss.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:57 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I think JFF stays for a RS Junior Season. The top three QBs will be Bridgewater, McCarron, and Murray, and you can't go wrong with any of those three.
I know most Bama fans would disagree, but I see no reason why any team would take McCarron in round 1. He just really doesn't, well, seem to be elite at all. Solid game managing QB, but usually those QBs at best are taken in the mid-rounds. He just doesn't seem to have "it" like a top QB should.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:58 pm to thunderbird1100
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To Alex Smith? He is their starting QB, no doubt about it.
Very interesting.
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Pretty much what I expected, they will regret it, and everyone sees how terrible Gabbert is, but waiting till next year is probably the right thing for both Gabbert and getting a better QB.
agreed.
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That tells me they're pretty comfortable. They could probably get any QB they wanted in Rd.1, but aren't willing to take the risk. If they get a steal in Rd.2, so be it, if he cant beat out Fitzpatrick as a Rd.2 guy, also not a huge loss.
Yeah I mean I don't think they are desperate to get rid of Fitz but they also don't maybe think Geno Smith is a lot better than those guys in rd 2. They should have their pick of all the rd 2 guys.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:59 pm to adammwilson
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Both are capable, especially Foles, of playing outside the scheme. Barkley isn't very scheme versatile. As I mentioned earlier, Arians is looking to bring his verticle passing game to AZ as he did in Pitt and Indy.
I don't think you're giving Barkley enough credit, he's good for a WCO, but he doesn't have a popgun arm that limits him to it. There's no cannon to him, but Kolb and Foles don't have those either. If you're looking for cannons, you should wait a round for Bray or Glennon.
Barkley is probably gonna talk his way to the #1 spot again, he's that smooth compared to Smith.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:01 am to thunderbird1100
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I know most Bama fans would disagree, but I see no reason why any team would take McCarron in round 1. He just really doesn't, well, seem to be elite at all. Solid game managing QB, but usually those QBs at best are taken in the mid-rounds. He just doesn't seem to have "it" like a top QB should.
That's how I felt about Mcelroy (sp?) but McCarron is a lot more talented to me. He has had performances past what one would expect of a game manager.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:04 am to MagillaGuerilla
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I don't think you're giving Barkley enough credit, he's good for a WCO, but he doesn't have a popgun arm that limits him to it
Don't get wrong I like Barkley and if my team needed a QB I'd want Barkley.
What I meant in terms of scheme was I'm not sure Barkley fits the verticle passing game.
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Barkley is probably gonna talk his way to the #1 spot again, he's that smooth compared to Smith.
I'd love to see that. I'm not that high on Smith.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:05 am to thunderbird1100
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I wonder what teams will hold out for the QB draft next year. It should be much better, depending on early entrants...
Senior QB class
Possible early entrants could include Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Brett Hundley, Braxton Miller and that senior list doesn't include Casey Pachall who will be a senior and is definitely a NFL prospect.
I'd definitely wait for it compared to this class. I think Bridgewater will be the #2 pick to whomever, behind Clowney. He and Manziel have similar arms and deep ball accuracy(RG3-ish), Bridgewater edges him out because of height. It won't keep Manziel out of the 1st, but just keeping him from being the 1st QB.
And Derek Carr man, dude is brushed off because of his last name, but he can ball.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:14 am to adammwilson
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That's how I felt about Mcelroy (sp?) but McCarron is a lot more talented to me. He has had performances past what one would expect of a game manager.
Oh no doubt he's more talented than McElroy. McElroy was the definition of a game manager. McCarron just has it so easy being Bama's QB.
They almost never have to ask him to do much, but it seems like when Bama gets in a tight situation, and they need him to step up and be an elite QB, he doesn't seem to play all that well. I'm looking at the LSU/A&M/UGA games from last year which were all tightly contested games. Every other game McCarron was on cruise control because it was a blowout.
In the LSU game McCarron was terrible the entire game until the very last drive when he made some good throws into soft coverage but Yeldon ultimately was the big guy on the last drive FTW.
Then in the A&M game where Bama got behind big early, it was like jeckyll and hyde at QB. Throws for 300 yards, but also throws 2 ultimately costly picks. 1 that led to an easy TD for A&M early on then the pick on their last drive on 4th/goal.
Then you have the UGA game, where he just wasn't playing well and they simply tried to minimize his impact that game and just keep pounding with the run which was working way better.
He definitely has gaudy stats by the end of the year, but most of that is just built up on efficient passing in blowouts when teams almost seemed surprised when Bama throws it. Then, when you look at the tighter games, he has struggled.
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