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re: Auburn is the preseason favorite . . . why?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 4:39 pm to auburnphan23
Posted on 5/15/15 at 4:39 pm to auburnphan23
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Who should be the favorite?
Why does there have to be a favorite? Why can't they just say there are no favorites in the SEC race?
If we are going on consistency, Bama should be #1 followed by UGA at #2. I don't know where you go from there.
Every once in a while, Auburn wins more than 9 games. There is not a damn thing that has happened since the season ended, for me to believe they win more than 9 games. They've only had double digit wins 4 times in the last 15 years!
Since my team is LSU, I'll use them. LSU has had double digit wins 9 times in the last 15 years with 7 coming in the last 10. We may have one down year, but we bounce right back up. This isn't a "LSU should be #1" thing, but it does show that we are never down for long. At worse, we should be pre ranked 5th in the SEC.
Auburn should realistically be in that 3-6 range.
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 4:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
LSU has won the western division once since 2008. Also finished behind Auburn in SEC standings the last two years and 3 of the last 5 years.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:06 pm to Weagle25
hell why not?
none of this preseason shite ever gets it 100% right anyway
none of this preseason shite ever gets it 100% right anyway
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:25 pm to auburnphan23
Are there any examples of an SEC defense going from really bad to really good in one year recently?
I realize Auburn's offense takes pressure off their defense when it's clicking, not trying to be a dick. Alabama made a huge jump from 2010 to 2011, but they were YOUNG, or inexperienced in 2010. Know Auburn list some guys and are getting some back from injury.
I realize Auburn's offense takes pressure off their defense when it's clicking, not trying to be a dick. Alabama made a huge jump from 2010 to 2011, but they were YOUNG, or inexperienced in 2010. Know Auburn list some guys and are getting some back from injury.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:26 pm to Bham4Tide
While the OP is clearly an intelligent (and dare I say dashingly handsome) man for starting this truly entertaining and thought-provoking thread, the following from Carnac the Magnificent shines some light on the subject:
Auburn is #1
What college will lead the nation in offense . . . and number of inbred cheerleaders?
Auburn is #1
What college will lead the nation in offense . . . and number of inbred cheerleaders?
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Are there any examples of an SEC defense going from really bad to really good in one year recently?
I realize Auburn's offense takes pressure off their defense when it's clicking, not trying to be a dick. Alabama made a huge jump from 2010 to 2011, but they were YOUNG, or inexperienced in 2010. Know Auburn list some guys and are getting some back from injury.
No, but there are a lot of examples of Defenses going from really bad to really average. That is all AU needs.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:37 pm to Bham4Tide
You really should have stayed out of the thread. That was a pretty dumb post.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:38 pm to WarDamn101
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I'm not putting that much stock into all this Boom hype.
You should. He's a proven, excellent defensive coach. Look what Pruitt has done at UGA. I think Muschamp will do much the same at Auburn.
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it won't be solely on the impact of Boom or schedule.
Not to mention Lawson coming back, and those DL recruits you guys pulled this past signing period.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:39 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Are there any examples of an SEC defense going from really bad to really good in one year recently?
Probably not. But they don't have to go to really good. Just good. If they do that, they will contend, don't you think?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:51 pm to 2smooth
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You really should have stayed out of the thread. That was a pretty dumb post.
Aren't you cute . . . who might you be?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:52 pm to DawgsLife
I feel like it really hinges on our defense and luck in some games... There will be some close games that we'll have to pull out that can separate us from 2-3 losses or a playoff bid... It's all about the ball bouncing in our favor and some leaders stepping up on defense.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 6:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Are there any examples of an SEC defense going from really bad to really good in one year recently?
Arkansas went from being the #89 scoring defense and #76 total defense in 2013 to #9 in scoring and #10 in total defense last year.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:57 pm to TheCheshireHog
Muschamp said the other day that after watching auburn film from last year he was shocked at how bad our fundamental stuff on d was. Thanks to Ellis but that tells me that we could possibly see a pretty decent jump in out d
Posted on 5/15/15 at 10:31 pm to Bham4Tide
Just a poster that decided to make a post about how silly and dumb your post was. Why?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 10:53 pm to 2smooth
5 losses -
1st Loss - fumbles lost on first two offensive plays on the road; bad breaks with PI calls late; game was still close; MSU was hot at the time.
2 losses - scored 38 and 44 pts - still lost - won't happen this year.
1 loss - occurred after championship season was blown by fumbling twice in red zone to win the game
1 loss - bowl game - played it like a preseason game and it didn't matter.
So basically - Muschamp erases the two losses where 38 and 44 were scored. This will be easy considering he will have a pass rush this year w/Lawson and scheme.
Turnovers to start the game on the road get removed and away schedule is much easier. AU will still probably lose a game - but most are betting that Muschamps Defense will be much improved. Not to mention - Gus has another Cam type QB.
1st Loss - fumbles lost on first two offensive plays on the road; bad breaks with PI calls late; game was still close; MSU was hot at the time.
2 losses - scored 38 and 44 pts - still lost - won't happen this year.
1 loss - occurred after championship season was blown by fumbling twice in red zone to win the game
1 loss - bowl game - played it like a preseason game and it didn't matter.
So basically - Muschamp erases the two losses where 38 and 44 were scored. This will be easy considering he will have a pass rush this year w/Lawson and scheme.
Turnovers to start the game on the road get removed and away schedule is much easier. AU will still probably lose a game - but most are betting that Muschamps Defense will be much improved. Not to mention - Gus has another Cam type QB.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:48 pm to Rhymenoceros
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Ole Miss, LSU Arkansas, MSU, and Auburn all could have been losses.
You honestly believe Alabama beat Auburn by "just being lucky"? Or MSU?
Posted on 5/16/15 at 4:04 am to auburnphan23
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LSU has won the western division once since 2008. Also finished behind Auburn in SEC standings the last two years and 3 of the last 5 year
What does that have to do with what I said? Auburn has random great years, but nothing ever consistent. LSU is down once in a while, and usually one game away from winning the west the rest of the time. I didn't say we should be SEC favorites or even West favorites, but we've got more of a reason to be in the top 5 of the SEC than Auburn does at being #1 in the SEC or preseason favorite.
I read an article yesterday trying to explain, why Auburn is favored. It was complete garbage. Home or away, Bama is still Bama. Auburn's championship team needed a miracle to beat an 8-5 injury plagued UGA at home in 2013, but was crushed on the road the very next year. Oh, UGA also crushed them in 2011 and 2012.
LSU has beaten Auburn 7 straight times in Death Valley. Auburn's Cam Newton lead team could barely beat an LSU team that could really do nothing on offense. Like I said before, Miss St and Auburn, caught us at a very early time when we were dealing with
-An OL scheme change
-A defense and WR corps that was very young and inexperienced
-A defense that wasn't even starting it's best players yet (Jamal Adams, Kendell Beckwith)
-Mass confusion at QB (a raw true freshman getting his first start on the road against a then top 10 team) and RB (they played musical chairs with the RBs until the Florida game when Fournette took over).
We don't have any of those problems this year.
Look, I'm not saying Auburn will suck, I'm just saying, "WTF are they looking at to rank you top 5 (or top 10) in the country and SEC favorite"!?
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Posted on 5/16/15 at 4:51 am to Irons Puppet
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No, but there are a lot of examples of Defenses going from really bad to really average. That is all AU needs.
Auburn may only make the jump to "really average" statistically, but we all know that statistics don't always tell the whole story and in actuality I think our defense is actually very good. Talent wise Auburn's defense is only behind the other top SEC teams Bama, UGA, and LSU. I don't think the gap is as big as people think either.
AU has several NFL players on defense. All 3 starting LBs should be drafted barring injury. Same with our DL. At least one, maybe two of our starting front 7 could be 1st rounders in 2016. We even have NFL talent starting at Safety and CB for the first time in a long time.
On paper the only glaring weakness on this Auburn defense is the depth in the secondary. Like I said though the starters are good and Id put Auburn's 4 starting DBs against any team's in the SEC. Depth on the front 7 is not only plentiful, but quality as well.
Now the big question is how the Auburn defense had improved at the little things: fundamentals, tackling form, knowing and staying with your assignment, identifying plays. The small things can be coached and that's where Muschamp comes in and needs to earn his money and prove he is still one of the best defensive coaches in CFB.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 4:53 am to Datbayoubengal
It has been explained a hundred times and it doesn't matter how many times they explain it haters are still going to ignore anything they don't want to hear.
They have to pick someone in the west and Auburn is the only team that looks likely to be better on offense and defense. Auburn has the best looking QB and WR and now has a quality FB. You add a top DC and players like Lawson back and Tray Matthews and the Defense should be improved.
Other than A&M adding Chavis no one else looks to be noticeably better on either side of the ball. The others look to be the same at best.
They have to pick someone in the west and Auburn is the only team that looks likely to be better on offense and defense. Auburn has the best looking QB and WR and now has a quality FB. You add a top DC and players like Lawson back and Tray Matthews and the Defense should be improved.
Other than A&M adding Chavis no one else looks to be noticeably better on either side of the ball. The others look to be the same at best.
This post was edited on 5/16/15 at 5:03 am
Posted on 5/16/15 at 6:00 am to Datbayoubengal
How old are you buddy? Your whole argument is based off of things that you perceive to "usually" happen. It's an argument based off of emotions and one usually only made by casual fans, or young folks who haven't been following CFB for long.
You say that Auburn isn't consistent and only randomly has elite teams. Are you familiar with LSU's history pre 2002? Because that describes it.
Things change. Otherwise the Mississippi schools would still be doormats and penciled in already as W's. The East would still be the best and Tennesse and Florida would still be annual NC contenders.
Auburn is the preseason favorite because on paper we have the best and most complete team. We also have a favorable schedule.
-QB has a lot to do with why AU is the favorite. Jeremy Johnson has shown off an NFL arm every chance he's had. Always look elite, never bad, never even looked mediocre. As for the other top teams: LSU's QBs looked downright awful last season. Bama and UGA don't know who will start for them and neither of their options look like anything to write home about.
As for the rest of Auburn's team:
-RB. Auburn has produced the leading rusher in the SEC two straight years and a 1000 yard rusher at QB 7 straight years. With two elite 5* RBs and a bruising 4* this may be our most talented group in that time.
-WR. Duke Williams is elite. Considered by many the top WR for the 2016 draft. And he's not alone, AU is deep and this is overall the most talented group of WR I can recall at AU.
-OL. Yes we lose starting C and Rimington award winner Dismukes. But we replace him with a guy that started as a true freshman for Ole Miss and was all-SEC freshman team. We return the other 4 starters and get back top OG Alex Kozan who missed 2014 but was all-American freshman team in 2013 and in the BCSNCG graded out as the top player on either team by NFL scouts. OL is deep and all 5 starters are NFL talents, both guards have 1st round potential.
-DL. Last year the DL didn't produce much pass rush. That will change this year. Carl Lawson is back and is one of the most talented pass rushers in CFB. NFL scouts are only waiting to see if he's 100% to project him to the 1st round. We also bring in the top HS player in the country, Byron Cowart to rush the passer. That added threat and Muschamps scheme frees up guys like Montravius Adams to rush the passer from the inside. The DL is deep and stout.
-LB. Two 3 year starters. Cass McKinzy is the #2 ILB prospect for the 2016 draft. Kris Frost will also play on Sunday's. The other starter is Tre Williams, 5* and top LB prospect from 2014 and looked damn good as a true frosh last season. Noticing a trend of talented depth so far? Because that's the case with our LBs too.
Auburn's entire starting front 7 is likely to be drafted into the NFL.
-CB. Jonathan Jones, 6 INTs last season and always making the big play at the perfect moment. Josh Holsey is damn good as well. Depth is an issue here. One good solid backup, but some highly ranked freshman coming in.
-Safety. Trey Matthews is the best safety that Auburn has had in a decade and he hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Rudy Ford, also very good and I think the top returning tackler? Again, depth is an issue here.
There it is. If you really want to know why AU is the favorite and don't mind a little reading I laid it all out for you.
You say that Auburn isn't consistent and only randomly has elite teams. Are you familiar with LSU's history pre 2002? Because that describes it.
Things change. Otherwise the Mississippi schools would still be doormats and penciled in already as W's. The East would still be the best and Tennesse and Florida would still be annual NC contenders.
Auburn is the preseason favorite because on paper we have the best and most complete team. We also have a favorable schedule.
-QB has a lot to do with why AU is the favorite. Jeremy Johnson has shown off an NFL arm every chance he's had. Always look elite, never bad, never even looked mediocre. As for the other top teams: LSU's QBs looked downright awful last season. Bama and UGA don't know who will start for them and neither of their options look like anything to write home about.
As for the rest of Auburn's team:
-RB. Auburn has produced the leading rusher in the SEC two straight years and a 1000 yard rusher at QB 7 straight years. With two elite 5* RBs and a bruising 4* this may be our most talented group in that time.
-WR. Duke Williams is elite. Considered by many the top WR for the 2016 draft. And he's not alone, AU is deep and this is overall the most talented group of WR I can recall at AU.
-OL. Yes we lose starting C and Rimington award winner Dismukes. But we replace him with a guy that started as a true freshman for Ole Miss and was all-SEC freshman team. We return the other 4 starters and get back top OG Alex Kozan who missed 2014 but was all-American freshman team in 2013 and in the BCSNCG graded out as the top player on either team by NFL scouts. OL is deep and all 5 starters are NFL talents, both guards have 1st round potential.
-DL. Last year the DL didn't produce much pass rush. That will change this year. Carl Lawson is back and is one of the most talented pass rushers in CFB. NFL scouts are only waiting to see if he's 100% to project him to the 1st round. We also bring in the top HS player in the country, Byron Cowart to rush the passer. That added threat and Muschamps scheme frees up guys like Montravius Adams to rush the passer from the inside. The DL is deep and stout.
-LB. Two 3 year starters. Cass McKinzy is the #2 ILB prospect for the 2016 draft. Kris Frost will also play on Sunday's. The other starter is Tre Williams, 5* and top LB prospect from 2014 and looked damn good as a true frosh last season. Noticing a trend of talented depth so far? Because that's the case with our LBs too.
Auburn's entire starting front 7 is likely to be drafted into the NFL.
-CB. Jonathan Jones, 6 INTs last season and always making the big play at the perfect moment. Josh Holsey is damn good as well. Depth is an issue here. One good solid backup, but some highly ranked freshman coming in.
-Safety. Trey Matthews is the best safety that Auburn has had in a decade and he hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Rudy Ford, also very good and I think the top returning tackler? Again, depth is an issue here.
There it is. If you really want to know why AU is the favorite and don't mind a little reading I laid it all out for you.
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