re: Alabama in top 3 sports

Slight correction to the scale you used BMHKyle :)

LSU would have 590 points, not 420.
4 FF x 50 pts ea. = 200
9 SS x 20 pts ea. = 180
21 Apps × 10 pts ea. = 210

Total 590 pts for 3rd place all time in SEC :)

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He has said more than once in this thread that all time wins don't matter - that the only thing they're good for is getting you to the post season, which is the only thing that matters.

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You are correct. That is all wins are good for. If Team A finishes 20-10 for ten consecutive seasons but misses the NCAA Tournament every year, where has than gotten them?

Meanwhile Team B may go 15-15 on five occasions... and 21-9 on five more occasions, with 5 NCAA Tournament appearances.

After 10 seasons, Team A will have 200 wins. Team B will have just 180 wins and 5 NCAA Tournament appearances. No one will care about Team A's win total compared to Team B.

Not. One. Single. Person.

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If the only criteria we're using to judge programs is success in post season play, then my post is just as valid.

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No it isn't. Because it contradicts what I had already posted. Using NCAA Tournament success, Michigan State is far more successful all-time than Florida, but you lied and tried to make it look like I thought the opposite.

Which was even more laughable considering I had already given my rankings earlier and it said the opposite of what you made up. You lose!

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All-time wins is certainly an important category. But I will say post-season success is not only more important, but a lot more so.

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Any rational thinking person believes this. And bama fans would think this too if the outcome gave them something they could be proud of.... but it doesn't, so they resort to trying to come up with all these other measurable that no one else would ever put any stock into.

It's ridiculous really.

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Any rational thinking person believes this. And bama fans would think this too if the outcome gave them something they could be proud of.... but it doesn't, so they resort to trying to come up with all these other measurable that no one else would ever put any stock into.

It's ridiculous really.

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There's nothing more ridiculous in this thread than you pretending that all time wins magically don't matter.

Even more ridiculous that you didn't even start trying to argue that until you were backed into a corner and faced with the fact that your first couple of long arse posts in this thread were completely pointless, as you were arguing about SEC wins because you had no idea Bama ranked so highly in all time wins.

Sad.

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Your automatic placement of Alabama behind Tennessee when they are almost exactly identical except for the fact that Alabama leads Tennessee in head to head just shows that you have a clear purpose to your points.

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No, I already stated the gap between them was razor-thin. But because Tennessee has one more appearance in the Tournament... to go along with the same number of Elite 8 and Sweet 16 appearance, one has to give the nod to the Vols.

It's close either way. If being able to claim the #6 spot over the #7 spot will help your self-confidence, I'll give you the #6 spot as charity.

I NOW PROCLAIM ALABAMA TO BE THE #6 TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF A WEAK BASKETBALL LEAGUE. ALL HAIL THE #6 PROGRAM IN THE SEC AND THE #60 PROGRAM NATIONALLY!!!!!

Does this make you feel better?

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Tennessee has the same amount of Elite 8s, less Sweet 16s and more overall appearances.

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Actually Bama had to forfeit their 1987 tournament wins... so that brings Bama and Tennessee equal in Elite 8 and Sweet 16 performances. Tennessee has one more overall tournament bid, which *USED* to cause me to rank them slightly ahead.

But due to the catastrophic state of the Alabama nation's self esteem, I have deemed Bama the gift of #6. Hopefully this will allow you bammers to sleep better tonight.

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Actually Bama had to forfeit their 1987 tournament wins

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LOL, alright

Kyle is a good, smart dude, but he is very clearly anti-Alabama. I don't know if it is being in Birmingham, having a kid at Auburn if I remember correctly, or what, but it is there.

Still, he's a solid dude all around and is generally pretty good at posting good stuff. I don't understand the Alabama/Tuscaloosa/academic/athletic stuff though. It might not be hate, maybe it is just an incredibly poor opinion of the school for some reason.

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Hurry up and finish typing up your essays to the rest of the posts in this thread.

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Not one single fan of another team has come to Bama's defense.

Fans of at least 3 teams have for the most part expressed their agreement with my assessment. No one is coming to the rescue of bama fans except your own.

No one views Alabama anywhere close to the "Top 2 or 3" or the "upper echelon" of the SEC in basketball or baseball despite your ridiculous claims or your ridiculous inflation of metrics that have no value.

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Not one single fan of another team has come to Bama's defense.

Fans of at least 3 teams have for the most part expressed their agreement with my assessment. No one is coming to the rescue of bama fans except your own.

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Gee. Can't imagine why.

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If Team A has 24 wins but doesn't make the NCAA Tournament... but Team B has 18 wins and makes the NCAA tournament, everyone regards Team B as having the better season. Wins without NCAA tournament play are pretty much worthless.

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Historically, this is a fallacious argument. Particularly up until the mid 70's when the NCAA Tournament only took two teams from each conference. In addition, there was a time when the NIT was more prestigious than the NCAA tournament. I can remember 20 win years in the days when seasons were 24-27 games... and we still didn't go to the tournament.

Those were different days then - when I was growing up, my family doctor averaged about 28/gm for Mississippi St and was drafted by the Celtics. He turned the Celtics down to go to medical school, because he would make more money. This was back in the 1950's.

You are correct in that championships ultimately define a program. But... wins get you to championships. If championships are the end, the goal to get there is to win - and iIn that regard, over time, Alabama has done pretty well - particularly in the SEC. Alabama's record against Kentucky is pretty dismal (but then again, whose isn't?) and is only one loss down to Arkansas. Against everyone else, we own the head-to-head records.

I do think that one cold argue with the historical record of success, Alabama has underachieved in the post season despite a significant overall winning record in both tournaments.

Nonetheless, I think Alabama is headed in the right direction after a few years of stagnation under Grant and Gottfried. Both had winning records but the excitement was gone that many fans remember under Wimp Sanderson. Avery Johnson is certainly bringing back an immense level of enthusiasm.

Anyway, just my two cents worth.