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re: Alabama in top 3 sports
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think that everyone agrees postseason success carries a greater value than a few more wins, but the idea that overall wins don't matter at all is silly.
... says the Bama fan who constantly points to "championships" as the only true barometer of football success.
I love how Bama fans think that when it comes to football, its all about National Titles. If a Tennessee fan came along and pointed out that UT was close to Bama in football success because of their 820 wins to Bama's 864 (not much difference), you would immediately start comparing National Titles.
But when it comes to sports that Bama fans lack national titles and come up short in post-season success, suddenly those wins become far more important.
It can't go both ways.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:08 pm to AU24
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Would you like to post Auburn's all time spot in those 3 sports?
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AU24
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Basketball 9-14 baseball 8-14
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:10 pm to East Coast Band
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Auburn's total conference wins this school year in football and basketball is less than what Alabama's Conference wins were just in football. And toss in the fact that Auburn is in last place in the conference in baseball.
lmao
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:12 pm to BHMKyle
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... says the Bama fan who constantly points to "championships" as the only true barometer of football success.
I love how Bama fans think that when it comes to football, its all about National Titles. If a Tennessee fan came along and pointed out that UT was close to Bama in football success because of their 820 wins to Bama's 864 (not much difference), you would immediately start comparing National Titles.
But when it comes to sports that Bama fans lack national titles and come up short in post-season success, suddenly those wins become far more important.
It can't go both ways.
You're being incredibly obtuse. We have almost 100 more all time on the field wins than Tennessee, and a better head to head overall record, more bowl appearances, more bowl wins, more all-americans, more conference titles, etc... We also lead the rest of the SEC in all of those categories, too.
Your example isn't very good.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:12 pm to BHMKyle
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says the Bama fan who constantly points to "championships" as the only true barometer of football success
I don't say that at all. Championships matter more, but total wins matter too. Who says they don't? I don't know any Alabama fans who say that. Why would we?
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I love how Bama fans think that when it comes to football, its all about National Titles. If a Tennessee fan came along and pointed out that UT was close to Bama in football success because of their 820 wins to Bama's 864 (not much difference), you would immediately start comparing National Titles
No - I'd compare every single measurable statistic that shows that we are ahead of them (national titles, SEC titles, bowl games, bowl wins, overall wins, head to head). Those all favor us vs everyone in the league in football.
In basketball and baseball, we rank in the Top 3 in many of those, have winning records vs everyone in the league outside of Kentucky in basketball (or did a few years ago) and everyone in the league in baseball except for South Carolina.
It isn't even close to the same argument. We dominate every statistical comparison in football with everyone else. We are very good in some and not as good in others in basketball and baseball. I don't think we rank OVERALL in the Top 3 in basketball and baseball, I think we more towards 5-7 in both depending on how much value you put on regular season/head to head records. However, those exist and matter, you don't just ignore 100 years of history because Georgia had a magical run in the 80's and won a national title. It should have major weight because of how big a deal it is, but it doesn't 100% trump everything else. That is silly.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:14 pm to Tuscaloosa
Dumpster fire auburn dwi
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:16 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Your example isn't very good.
I mean, we can totally take all championships out of the equation if we want. We are still better in all of the non-championship categories vs everyone in the SEC as well.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
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No - I'd compare every single measurable statistic that shows that we are ahead of them (national titles, SEC titles, bowl games, bowl wins, overall wins, head to head). Those all favor us vs everyone in the league in football. In basketball and baseball, we rank in the Top 3 in many of those, have winning records vs everyone in the league outside of Kentucky in basketball (or did a few years ago) and everyone in the league in baseball except for South Carolina. It isn't even close to the same argument. We dominate every statistical comparison in football with everyone else. We are very good in some and not as good in others in basketball and baseball. I don't think we rank OVERALL in the Top 3 in basketball and baseball, I think we more towards 5-7 in both depending on how much value you put on regular season/head to head records. However, those exist and matter, you don't just ignore 100 years of history because Georgia had a magical run in the 80's and won a national title. It should have major weight because of how big a deal it is, but it doesn't 100% trump everything else. That is silly.
This is a fair assessment. I frankly have never read a post on SECR from an Alabama fan trumpeting our success in baseball or basketball, but factually, the Tide has done well in both sports.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:21 pm to bama will rise again
Well, Auburn sucks. I guess there's no reason to wake up in the morning. It's been real, guys.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:21 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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I frankly have never read a post on SECR from an Alabama fan trumpeting our success in baseball or basketball, but factually, the Tide has done well in both sports.
I mean - I'm not naïve, we are nowhere near the top of either. We have been consistently good in both for the last 40 years or so but for whatever reason have always come up short in years when we were nationally very good (luck, choking, etc).
Because of that, and the success of others on that stage at various times, our overall rank takes a hit. However, that doesn't mean all of the regular season success should be ignored.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:22 pm to TTsTowel
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It's been real, guys.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:23 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Our overall wins in both sports easily places us in the "upper echelon" of the conference. To suggest otherwise is very, very silly.
No what is silly is to act as if wins means anything. Wins helps you get to the postseason.... and getting to the postseason is all that matters in those two sports.
Bama has the #7 basketball program in the SEC
Bama has the #9 baseball program in the SEC
There is nothing "upper echelon" about that. And to pretend that your team is in the upper echelon completely proves my original point: Bama fans are delusional when it comes to their success in these two sports. There is a myth that has permeated for quite sometime among bama fans that they are right up underneath Kentucky and right up underneath LSU all-time in basketball and baseball. It's not true. Not even close.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:25 pm to BHMKyle
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Bama has the #7 basketball program in the SEC
I don't know what measurement would lead you to automatically put Tennessee ahead of Alabama, but I agree we are 6a or 6b
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Bama has the #9 baseball program in the SEC
I just can't buy into the idea that a team with
- winning record vs 13/14 members of a league
- 2nd most wins all-time in conference
- top half in NCAA tournament appearances
- #2 in conference titles
- #2 in conference tournament titles
.......is 9th in the league overall. I don't think we are in the top 3 or 4, but I think discounting all of that and solely ranking based on 1 national title vs 0 national titles or 6 CWS vs 5 CWS and ignoring all above isn't the right way to do it.
Difference of opinion in how to rank teams, I guess.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:26 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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I frankly have never read a post on SECR from an Alabama fan trumpeting our success in baseball or basketball, but factually, the Tide has done well in both sports.
If you are blind to see that there are multiple such posts in this very thread, I can't help you. This myth is permeated by bama fans all the time.
Just in this one thread we're seen Bama fans to claim to be possibly in the "Top 2" of each of these sports, and another claim to be "upper echelon". It's totally laughable!
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:27 pm to BHMKyle
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Bama fans to claim to be possibly in the "Top 2
I don't think anyone is claiming that. I think the claim was that there are data sets (regularly used ones, not crazy off the wall ones) in which Alabama ranks #2 in the SEC in baseball and basketball. Average that out with postseason national success in which they would be lower and you get an overall ranking.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:29 pm to BHMKyle
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No what is silly is to act as if wins means anything.
Overall wins don't mean anything?
This is getting ridiculous. Bottom line is that you had no idea Bama was ranked #1, #1 and #3 respectively in All Time overall wins, and now you're trying to backpedal to justify your own ignorance on the subject.
You thought I was talking about SEC wins only, and now you're trying to fit your long winded, pointless arguments into your narrative, and it just doesn't work.
Sorry.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I just can't buy into the idea that a team with
- winning record vs 13/14 members of a league
- 2nd most wins all-time in conference
- top half in NCAA tournament appearances
- #2 in conference titles
- #2 in conference tournament titles
You are spouting stats that frankly don't mean much. If the SEC had been consistent with the same teams from the very beginning, you may have a point.
But South Carolina, Missouri, and Arkansas are all relatively new to the SEC, yet all have more baseball success than Alabama. Of course they are going to trail you in conference titles and conference tournament titles, etc.... you had a 60+ year head start!!
Same goes for basketball. Arkansas and Mizzou are clearly ahead of Bama. But these teams didn't join the SEC until much later.
It would be like Bama moving to the ACC for some reason.... trailing every program in ACC football titles wouldn't have any measure on where your program ranked all-time.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:38 pm to BHMKyle
This is sad.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:39 pm to BHMKyle
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You are spouting stats that frankly don't mean much
See, I don't understand how head to head records, conference tournament records, etc don't matter at all?
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But South Carolina, Missouri, and Arkansas are all relatively new to the SEC, yet all have more baseball success than Alabama
And I have them all ranked ahead of Alabama.
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Same goes for basketball. Arkansas and Mizzou are clearly ahead of Bama
Also have them both ranked ahead of Alabama
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It would be like Bama moving to the ACC for some reason.... trailing every program in ACC football titles wouldn't have any measure on where your program ranked all-time.
Except we'd have bowls, bowl appearances, championships, etc. The same type of things we both used to look and determine that Missouri basketball is ahead of Alabama and that Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri baseball are historically ahead of Alabama.
It isn't a difficult process.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:40 pm to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
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you are blind to see that there are multiple such posts in this very thread, I can't help you
And if you can't see that they are merely responses to the OP, I can't help you. Generally, you don't see many posts on SECr from Bama fans addressing our basketball and baseball successes.
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This myth is permeated by bama fans all the time.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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