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re: Alabama in top 3 sports
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:12 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:12 pm to Irons Puppet
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Considering the history of the South, it does lose some of its luster.
The guys in the pic are (in today's commentary):
"coaches on the court"
"see the court great"
"good decision makers"
"make good passes"
"are coachable"
"hard workers"
"grinders"
"high motors"
"coaches' sons"
I think I covered all of the white bball player clichés.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:14 pm to iglass
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I want to see you go down this avenue the next time we are talking about football championships.
it works. I don't think anyone would entertain the idea that Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska, and Ohio State are better all-time programs than Alabama even though they have more all-time wins. Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have better all-time winning percentages too. But that argument would be viewed as ridiculous, and rightfully so.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Kyle is a good, smart dude, but he is very clearly anti-Alabama. I don't know if it is being in Birmingham, having a kid at Auburn if I remember correctly, or what, but it is there.
Still, he's a solid dude all around and is generally pretty good at posting good stuff. I don't understand the Alabama/Tuscaloosa/academic/athletic stuff though. It might not be hate, maybe it is just an incredibly poor opinion of the school for some reason.
Likewise I generally enjoy your posts. You are clearly more knowledgeable than the average poster on this board, and immeasurably more knowledgeable than your average bama fan.
But I know this: If Bama had the NCAA tournament success of a program like Arkansas... or Florida... not a single bama fan would be talking about wins, or conference tournament titles, or any other metric. All evidence would be from your NCAA Tournament success.
But because that success is just not there for Bama, you and all these other Bama fans are twisting yourselves to try to convince the average fan out there to somehow have a higher regard for bama basketball and baseball than what exists.
I have no problem with the University of Alabama. But after living in this state for years I see a personality trait that exists in most Alabama fans that I would consider to be a flaw. It's odd to me. Alabama fans have had so much football success and have so much to be proud of when it comes to their team and their University. But for some odd reason, the need exists for most Alabama fans to hear it from opposing fans. Its as if a lack of praise from others might send them into a dark place.
I don't get it. Not all bama fans are this way, but this type of behavior is far more common than among other fan bases I've been surrounded by.
This entire thread is a case study.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:35 pm to Gary Busey
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Even when Bama played in the national title, you spent all day balls deep with shite about Clemson and how they were too fast for poor ol' Bama.
Actually I said that Clemson would be a tough test for Alabama... and they were. I thought Alabama would likely win the game, but I said that Clemson team was not from the same stock of Texas minus Colt McCoy... of 2012 Notre Dame... or even 2011 LSU. I said Clemson would be by far the toughest test for bama in a national title game in the Saban era.
I seem to remember it working out as I projected. It was as close as I thought the game would be.
But thank you for demonstrating the need for praise. If anyone dares say anything that's not 100% praise, bama fans dwell on it for months. Thanks again for proving my point.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:40 pm to BHMKyle
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If Bama had the NCAA tournament success of a program like Arkansas... or Florida... not a single bama fan would be talking about wins, or conference tournament titles, or any other metric. All evidence would be from your NCAA Tournament success.
See, I just disagree with the overall premise of this. I think that most of us acknowledge that the ultimate goal is the tournament. It weighs more than anything else. However, I think that the other items still have some weight, especially when the tournament successes are roughly equal. Florida is a perfect example. Alabama leads Florida in most all non-NCAAT Final 4/NCAAT categories. I can't imagine any Alabama people telling you Alabama is better than Florida historically in basketball. The chasm between what Florida has done in the postseason and what Alabama has done is large and more than wipes out any regular season, historical leads we have.
However, I think that regular season success counts a fraction of postseason, and when you take all that into account we are somewhere in the middle with Tennessee.
Tier 1 is Kentucky
Tier 2 is Arkansas, Florida
Tier 3 is LSU, Missouri
Tier 4 is Alabama, Tennessee
Tier 5 is Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
Tier 6 is South Carolina, Ole Miss, Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just came back to say again that we have had reasonable success in basketball and baseball but clearly not as much as other schools in the conference
We are, however, the going away undisputed king of football with winning records over every. single. team. in this conference.
just wanted to reemphasize that guys
We are, however, the going away undisputed king of football with winning records over every. single. team. in this conference.
just wanted to reemphasize that guys
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:46 pm to Wallacewade04
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winning records over every. single. team. in this conference
What's funny is we have winning records over every opponent in the conference in all 3 major sports except for
- Kentucky basketball (37-108)
- Arkansas basketball (28-31)
- South Carolina baseball (25-30)
- Texas A&M baseball (5-7)
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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However, I think that regular season success counts a fraction of postseason, and when you take all that into account we are somewhere in the middle with Tennessee.
Tier 1 is Kentucky
Tier 2 is Arkansas, Florida
Tier 3 is LSU, Missouri
Tier 4 is Alabama, Tennessee
Tier 5 is Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
Tier 6 is South Carolina, Ole Miss, Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M
I agree with this.
Of course this is far different than claiming Alabama is "upper echelon" in basketball, like it was claimed earlier in the thread.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:49 pm to BHMKyle
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"upper echelon" in basketball
Eh, probably right. Really meant upper half. The upper echelon is the National Title winners (Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida) with LSU next because of the multiple Final Fours and other success.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Look I know our sports have had some great history
Basketball was good to great under wimp and Baseball had a great run where we were a very respectable yearly bridesmaid
my personal relationship with Alabama extra sports, in the 29 years of my life, has been one where they build your hopes up just to find new and inventive ways to kick you in the dick
this season of Alabama basketball was a microcosm of Alabama basketball throughout my life
I will be eternally a Debbie downer when it comes to Baseball, always always always expecting the worst
Basketball was good to great under wimp and Baseball had a great run where we were a very respectable yearly bridesmaid
my personal relationship with Alabama extra sports, in the 29 years of my life, has been one where they build your hopes up just to find new and inventive ways to kick you in the dick
this season of Alabama basketball was a microcosm of Alabama basketball throughout my life
I will be eternally a Debbie downer when it comes to Baseball, always always always expecting the worst
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:52 pm to Wallacewade04
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this season of Alabama basketball was a microcosm of Alabama basketball throughout my life
Ain't that the truth
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I will be eternally a Debbie downer when it comes to Baseball, always always always expecting the worst
Mainly because that is usually how it ends
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:55 pm to AU24
Great job OP, 8 pages so far. Of course, tuscaloosa is the first to respond, troll bait poster child.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Eh, probably right. Really meant upper half.
The good news is that it doesn't take much for any program to move up the ranks quickly.
In 1998, Florida was arguably the worst program all-time in basketball. At that point, they had just 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and one trip to the Sweet 16.
Fast-forward just 18 years later, and we're discussing whether they or Arkansas are the 2nd best SEC basketball program. No one will ever touch Kentucky. They are just too far out front. But the separation between #2 Arkansas and #14 South Carolina is probably a smaller gap than the separation between #1 Kentucky and #2 Arkansas.
If Avery gets his team to a handful of NCAA Tournaments, Bama can pass Missouri and get close to LSU in a very short period of time.
Same with Georgia. It honestly would not take that much for us to get to where Alabama and Tennessee are now.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:58 pm to Bamadoc
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Of course, tuscaloosa is the first to respond, troll bait poster child.
What can I say? I'm just a damn winner.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:05 pm to BHMKyle
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Same with Georgia. It honestly would not take that much for us to get to where Alabama and Tennessee are now.
True, but it would take a solid 15 year period in which Alabama and Tennessee had awful 15 year periods. Georgia is 8 behind in NCAAT, 6 behind in Sweet 16s. Though, if they made another Final Four and neither Alabama or Tennessee had you could make a Florida type argument.
But yea, Kentucky is in a class of their own, obviously.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:05 pm to BHMKyle
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I have no problem with the University of Alabama. But after living in this state for years I see a personality trait that exists in most Alabama fans that I would consider to be a flaw.
God you suck so bad......
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Has more to do with the talent that was available and misused or underutilized, combined with the bad losses, IMO.
That was indeed fuel to the fire. But I believe fans in general, certainly my feeling on it, is that post-season success trumps all.
1986 LSU Basketball. Barely made the tournament as an 11 seed. Not feeling a google, but wins were minimal. Got hot, made the final 4. I'd rather that by a mile over an undefeated regular season and 1 and done in the The Madness.
2011 LSU Football. LSU fans barely care that team was undefeated including wins over the teams that won the Rose/Orange/Sugar bowl. Because post-season success was a heart ripper.
Win total over time = tie-breaker talk, post-season success = have stuff to talk about.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:08 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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1986 LSU Basketball
Went 18-11 and 9-9 in the SEC, finished T5 in the league with Georgia.
Then went on an insane run beating #6 seed Purdue, #3 seed Memphis, #2 seed Georgia Tech and #1 seed Kentucky.
The Southeast Regional that year had Georgia Tech, Alabama, LSU and Kentucky at the Omni in Atlanta.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:11 pm to BHMKyle
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after living in this state for years
quote:You've been living in this state for years - you are surrounded by Bammers and Aubs buddy and the Aubs don't have a whole lot to brag about in their Big 3 sports.
Not all bama fans are this way, but this type of behavior is far more common than among other fan bases I've been surrounded by.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:21 pm to BHMKyle
This thread was started by an Auburn fan cracking on Alabama's apparent lack of success in basketball and baseball. A couple of Bama posters did nothing more than point out the fact that Alabama was #1 among SEC schools in all time football wins, #1 in all time baseball wins among SEC teams, and #3 in all time basketball wins. I don't remember anyone else claiming that's where they ranked as overall programs. Championships and post season play are obviously huge factors when ranking programs and I don't remember seeing any Bama fan equating ranking of all time wins with overall program ranking anyway.
You still didn't answer Summer's post comparing Georgia's and Alabama's respective baseball programs. You claimed Georgia was the better all time program but ignored Summer's post that pointed out how lopsided the most of the stats are when comparing both schools.
You still didn't answer Summer's post comparing Georgia's and Alabama's respective baseball programs. You claimed Georgia was the better all time program but ignored Summer's post that pointed out how lopsided the most of the stats are when comparing both schools.
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