OT - Senate Report on Intelligence

500 pages?


where da cliffs at?

Da cliffs is that they tortured the shite out of people and never got any information that ultimately led to anything.The detainees began to lie to end their suffering.

Some details on what they did:
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Sorry, not buying that bullshite. We, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are supposed to be better than that. Our government has lost control of itself.

EDIT: and I doubt you are taking the time to read the report. Maybe you should do that.

The torture doesn't make all that much difference. Sure, it's more personal but it is no worse than impersonal bombing and wholesale annihilation all over the globe.

They interview plenty of people directly involved. Try reading the damn thing. Here are some highlights ...

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After an Indonesian speaker was deployed to debrief Hambali, the debriefer "got the distinct impression Hambali was just responding 'yes' in the typical Indonesian cultural manner when they [sic] do not comprehend a question." The CIA cable then noted that "just to clarify, the debriefer then posed the same question in Indonesian," and "without pause, Hambali replied with a direct contradiction, claiming that on 20 September 2001, he was in Karachi, not Qandahar." A january 2004 cable stated that "Lillie is of limited value," adding that "his English is very poor and we do not have a Malay linguist."

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So, they essentially tortured these two because they were too lazy to get the right kind of interpreters - turns out, these two had no intelligence

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CIA records indicate that Majid Khan cooperated with the feedings and was permitted to infuse the fluids and nutrients himself. After approximately three weeks, the CIA developed a more aggressive treatment regimen "without unnecessary conversation. "Majid Khan was then subjected to involuntary rectal feeding and rectal hydration, which included two bottles of Ensure. Later that same day, Majid Khan's "lunch tray," consisting of hunmius, pasta with sauce, nuts, and raisins, was "pureed" and rectally infused. Additional sessions of rectal feeding and hydration followed. In addition to his hunger strikes, Majid Klian engaged in acts of self-harm that included attempting to cuthis wrist on two occasions, an attempt to chew into his arm at the innerelbow, an attempt to cut a vein in the top of his foot, and an attempt to cut into his skin at the elbow joint using a filed toothbrush.

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Tons of stuff like this. People just broken to the point of compliance with the torture (including water boarding) regardless of the fact that they supplied no further intelligence.

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Interview of James Pavitt,Office of the Inspector General, September21, 2003. According to OIG records of an interview with DCITenet, "Tenet believes that if the general public were to find out about this program, many would believe we are torturers." Tenet added, however, that his "only potential moral dilemma would be if more Americans die at the hands of terrorists and we had someone in our custody who possessed information that could have prevented deaths, but we had not obtained such information."

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This guy is a fricktwit.

From McCain ...

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“There was considerable misinformation disseminated then about what was and wasn’t achieved using these methods in an effort to discourage support for the legislation. There was a good amount of misinformation used in 2011 to credit the use of these methods with the death of Osama bin Laden. And there is, I fear, misinformation being used today to prevent the release of this report, disputing its findings and warning about the security consequences of their public disclosure.

“Will the report’s release cause outrage that leads to violence in some parts of the Muslim world? Yes, I suppose that’s possible, perhaps likely. Sadly, violence needs little incentive in some quarters of the world today. But that doesn’t mean we will be telling the world something it will be shocked to learn. The entire world already knows that we water-boarded prisoners. It knows we subjected prisoners to various other types of degrading treatment. It knows we used black sites, secret prisons. Those practices haven’t been a secret for a decade.

“Terrorists might use the report’s re-identification of the practices as an excuse to attack Americans, but they hardly need an excuse for that. That has been their life’s calling for a while now.

“What might come as a surprise, not just to our enemies, but to many Americans, is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. That could be a real surprise, since it contradicts the many assurances provided by intelligence officials on the record and in private that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable in the war against terrorism. And I suspect the objection of those same officials to the release of this report is really focused on that disclosure – torture’s ineffectiveness – because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer. Too much.

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JacketFan77

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do you think this kind of stuff was going on back in the day? WW2 and up? I bet it was. But I'm pretty ignorant on the subject.


I honestly dont have a problem with us torturing people if they are deserving, though.

Here's the thing, many of them WERE NOT deserving and were used as tools by these psycho contractors and the CIA to justify EIT.

As to your first question, if it was going on during WWII, it wasn't right then, either.

Waterboarding is cool in my book. frick them all.

Who deserves to be tortured?

And who decides who does....and does not...deserve to be tortured?

Probably some of the same folks who decide to spy on everyone and have no oversight. Orwell was tame compared to where we're headed.