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re: Texas, send us your poor oppressed white kids.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:38 pm to aggiegreen
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:38 pm to aggiegreen
There is a small private university in the river valley full of rich DFW kids who didn't want to go to SMU. The Waltons send kids from all over the world there as well.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:39 pm to wmr
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Its a bullshite policy.
We have tens of thousands of students who compete for a very finite number of admission spots at two flagship universities.
bullshite or not, if it wasn't the 10% policy, it'd be something else.
It sucks, but it's a numbers game.
Schools like TCU, Texas Tech, UTSA, Texas State, University of Houston, Baylor, Sam Houston, A&M Galveston, SFA, SMU, Houston Baptist, UTEP, A&M Corpus Christi, UT-Dallas/Arlington, and many others benefit, as a result.
As do out-of-state institutions of higher education.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:41 pm to EKG
Nah I get it. I just prefer a meritocracy.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:41 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Does A&M still do the 25% and 1300/1600 rule? That was how myself and a lot of kids I knew got in
Yes. Top 25% and 1300 Math/Reading on the SAT, or 30 on the ACT is an auto-admit.
Also, you might find the following 2014 application acceptance info interesting:
Average SAT Math/Reading score for incoming freshmen is 1240, which I believe is the highest average ever.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:42 pm to EKG
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As do out-of-state institutions of higher education.
plus Arkansas
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:42 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:Yup, you have to be in the top 25% and score 1300 out of 1600. Alternatively, you can score a 30 on the ACT with at least a 27 in both Math and English.
Does A&M still do the 25% and 1300/1600 rule? That was how myself and a lot of kids I knew got in
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:43 pm to tmc94
I don't see how it holds up since the California law got struck down several years back.
Regardless of the outcome, Texas is growing like a bitch. I think we'd better get used to seeing your children driving around our town.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:48 pm to wmr
I remember being in Texas 10 years ago or so and hearing the projection that McKinney would eventually build-out as the largest city in Collin County. It had about 60k people at the time and was projected to outgrow Plano. I remember thinking that was bullshite. Today McKinney is at 150k. Just insanity down there. I also remember Frisco having about 35k people, now its 140k.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:50 pm to wmr
no doubt.
This case wasn't about the 10% though. I'm not well versed in it but it was about the 25% and how it is selected. They wanted to strike race as a factor.
I can certainly see the merit in saying it should be blind to such things but the truth is, minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools. And since there is a direct correlation between quality of education and long-term success, it creates a somewhat permanent underclass.
In 1970, this was a big problem. I'm not sure how I feel about it today. Has it been long enough? Maybe. Maybe not. Numbers suggest it's still pretty skewed so I'm probably on the side saying using race is okay but I do think we need to eventually phase it out.
This case wasn't about the 10% though. I'm not well versed in it but it was about the 25% and how it is selected. They wanted to strike race as a factor.
I can certainly see the merit in saying it should be blind to such things but the truth is, minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools. And since there is a direct correlation between quality of education and long-term success, it creates a somewhat permanent underclass.
In 1970, this was a big problem. I'm not sure how I feel about it today. Has it been long enough? Maybe. Maybe not. Numbers suggest it's still pretty skewed so I'm probably on the side saying using race is okay but I do think we need to eventually phase it out.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We're probably over 20% Texas kids this fall.
Everyone needs a fallback plan.
Damn, it's like that?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:52 pm to wmr
Alabama takes plenty of them as well.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:52 pm to tmc94
Touche.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:53 pm to wmr
They didn't really uphold the Top 10% rule - they upheld UT-Austin's ability to use race as part of their "holistic" admissions review for applicants not admitted under the Top 10% rule.
The top 10% rule was actually the Legislature's reaction to the 1996 Hopwood ruling but the US 5th Circuit COA that disallowed using race as a factor for admission to Texas public universities (which was subsequently abrogated by SCOTUS in the Michigan case).
I wonder if the in-state tuition deal for TX students (or at least highly-qualified TX students) at neighboring state universities started around 1997-1998. I agree with those here saying this has actually been beneficial to both the students and the neighboring states.
The top 10% rule was actually the Legislature's reaction to the 1996 Hopwood ruling but the US 5th Circuit COA that disallowed using race as a factor for admission to Texas public universities (which was subsequently abrogated by SCOTUS in the Michigan case).
I wonder if the in-state tuition deal for TX students (or at least highly-qualified TX students) at neighboring state universities started around 1997-1998. I agree with those here saying this has actually been beneficial to both the students and the neighboring states.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Its like that. Its always been like that at OU. We had a comparatively small percentage of Texas kids until maybe 7-8 years ago. It seems like now it grows by another 800-900 per year. Recall that Fayetteville didn't even have an interstate running to it until about 1999. I think the ease of travel has jacked up awareness in DFW, along with the constant march northward of the Dallas burbs. Y'all will be throwing up tract houses in Denison before long.
ETA this article. Last year's freshman class was only majority Arkansas kids by 191 students. Its possible we enter the territory of more out of state students than in-state freshmen this fall.
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ETA this article. Last year's freshman class was only majority Arkansas kids by 191 students. Its possible we enter the territory of more out of state students than in-state freshmen this fall.
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UPDATE: Out-of-state numbers kept inching up this year, I see from preliminary numbers. Of 25,341 students, 15,307 are Arkansas residents. In the freshman class, there were 2,843 residents, 2,532 non-residents and 120 foreign students, for a bare 191-student edge for Arkies.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:00 pm to wmr
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Its like that. Its always been like that at OU. We had a comparatively small percentage of Texas kids until maybe 7-8 years ago. It seems like now it grows by another 800-900 per year. Recall that Fayetteville didn't even have an interstate running to it until about 1999. I think the ease of travel has jacked up awareness in DFW
The You of A started spending money recruiting in Texas, mainly the DFW area, in an effort to increase enrollment and increase revenue part of a growth strategy.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:08 pm to tmc94
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as a state entity, we use the exact same criteria
I meant the case and article really isn't about the 10% rule as much as Texas's use of race as admission criteria. Unless something changed since 2012 we don't do that:
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:15 pm to wmr
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McKinney is an hour closer to Fayetteville than it is to Lubbock,
Easy choice to make if you live in McKinney (DFW). Drive to Lubbock or drive to Fayetteville?
I love Texas but if I was not smart enough to get into A&M, I certainly would not want to spend four years in Lubbock. I'd head to Arkansas....and make the Deans List.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:15 pm to tmc94
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I'm not sure what this means. I know Bama and Auburn (and I believe LSU) are offering TX kids in-state tuition so their states are at least subsidizing.
You must mean scholarship incentives for top students from Texas. I was about to say give me link bc Auburn has profited a tremendous amount from out of state tuition. The only reason our campus doesn't look like its stuck in the 1970s is bc of out of state tuition $.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:15 pm to cardboardboxer
My understanding is race can be used as a selection factor, but quotas are forbidden - sounds like it could be abused, though.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:20 pm to plazadweller
no idea about incentives but I'm 100% certain some TX kids are being offered in-state tuition rates at both Bama and Auburn. All of them? Likely not. As wmr stated, only some get that deal at Arky so I'm sure it's merit based.
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