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re: Texas, send us your poor oppressed white kids.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:57 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:57 pm to Pettifogger
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Understood, gentility isn't for everyone.
Neither is living in a trailer, trucks with gun racks, and chew.
You can have all that and call it "gentility" if you want, I guess pigilicious is lucky she isn't within arms reach or you would teach her a lessen about speaking to men like that.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:59 pm to piggilicious
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i really have no desire to be ultra southern.
Damn right, they don't even speak Hoganese in the real south!!!
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:02 pm to DaleDenton
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Neither is living in a trailer, trucks with gun racks, and chew.
You can have all that and call it "gentility" if you want, I guess pigilicious is lucky she isn't within arms reach or you would teach her a lessen about speaking to men like that.
LOL @ Arkansas.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:15 pm to aggressor
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There are lots of issues with race based admissions. One of them is they favor middle and upper middle class minorities while penalizing lower class whites.
Data to support this as an actual outcome? I don’t think it’s particularly shocking that middle and upper class applicants would have higher class rank, GPA and test scores than lower class applicants regardless of ethnicity.
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If you are going strictly on race then you don't discriminate on means which allows for a kid from a wealthy suburban family that just happens to be AA or Hispanic to get preferential treatment while a white kid from a very poor family (often rural) gets penalized for their race in many ways.
This is too reductive. UT-Austin (nor any public university in the entire country) does not admit applicants based solely on race. That is illegal as it would violate the prohibitions on quotas upheld in the Michigan case. Race is allowed to be considered as a factor in non-automatic admissions along with:
Socioeconomic status of family
Single parent home
Language spoken at home
Family responsibilities
Overcoming adversity
Cultural background
Race and ethnicity
Other information in the file
While many of these areas are fairly nebulous, the courts and the Legislature have allowed UT-Austin to use this process.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:20 pm to Mirthomatic
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Using race as a factor perpetuates the notion that one has been held down by racism. And if you can blame problems on racism, you don't look for the true causal factors.
I think that's a rather facile dismissal of the role race has played in the history of our state. Does not racism by definition entail holding someone down?
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Asians are almost never beneficiaries of these "race conscious" admission policies, yet historically they were subject to roughly the same amount of prejudice as Hispanic populations.
In Texas??
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Besides, race-based admissions is just closing the barn door after most of the horses have run off. Real solutions are going to have to come much, much earlier.
Here, I agree. Better solutions would involve earlier intervention.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:26 pm to FarmersFight
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This is too reductive. UT-Austin (nor any public university in the entire country) does not admit applicants based solely on race. That is illegal as it would violate the prohibitions on quotas upheld in the Michigan case. Race is allowed to be considered as a factor in non-automatic admissions along with:
Socioeconomic status of family
Single parent home
Language spoken at home
Family responsibilities
Overcoming adversity
Cultural background
Race and ethnicity
Other information in the file
While many of these areas are fairly nebulous, the courts and the Legislature have allowed UT-Austin to use this process.
How do you think that prevents admission solely on race? It's similar to saying quotas are illegal although most schools likely have loose targets for the admission of minorities and somehow seem to meet them, albeit without announced or specified quotas.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:45 pm to Pettifogger
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How do you think that prevents admission solely on race? It's similar to saying quotas are illegal although most schools likely have loose targets for the admission of minorities and somehow seem to meet them, albeit without announced or specified quotas.
My guess is that UT-Austin has written these criteria in such a way that it's hard to quantitate to what extent race plays a factor, just that it can. So that gives them the wiggle room to say nothing is based solely on race. So if you can't measure it, you can't say it is thus so. Cynical legalese to be sure, but there it is.
Frankly, I'm not sure that any admissions decision ends up being solely based on any one of these criteria. Although I grant that a university probably does have an ideal number in mind and then does what it can pursue that number - but as you said, nothing is explicitly stated.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:51 am to FarmersFight
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Here, I agree. Better solutions would involve earlier intervention.
That makes sense.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:09 pm to Pettifogger
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got wait listed at LSU and Ole Miss
This isn't a thing.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:16 pm to wmr
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This isn't a thing.
Gettng waitlisted at Texas A&M and getting accepted to Arkansas is a common thing. A&M is a muuuuuuuuuch better school than Arkansas.
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