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re: Hello anybody have thoughts on the spring game????
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:31 pm to UFMatt
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:31 pm to UFMatt
Im not worried about QB at all....Im more worried about the run game which will get us out of the damn SEC cellar finally in rushing stats. Our RB corp is one of the best....dont kid yourself and the determination to make extra yds will results in some nice runs and help the QB. Cant have too many third and 7s or 3rd and 8s.
The Oline isnt going to bust azz and risk injuries in a spring game. Come on. 300 lb bodies falling on each other for a glorified scrimmage?
The main question is does this thread get to 7 pages?
The Oline isnt going to bust azz and risk injuries in a spring game. Come on. 300 lb bodies falling on each other for a glorified scrimmage?
The main question is does this thread get to 7 pages?
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:34 pm to montanagator
1. Great talent alone = 8-9 wins a year
2. Good coaching on top of talent = 10-11 wins
3. Player leadership on top of that = titles.
Uf is still somewhere between 1 and 2 at best.
2. Good coaching on top of talent = 10-11 wins
3. Player leadership on top of that = titles.
Uf is still somewhere between 1 and 2 at best.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:22 pm to reel_gator8
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Im not worried about QB at all
Have you watched Gator football in the last 8 seasons?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 8:29 pm to slayerxing
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Hello anybody have thoughts on the spring game????
1. Great talent alone = 8-9 wins a year
2. Good coaching on top of talent = 10-11 wins
3. Player leadership on top of that = titles.
Uf is still somewhere between 1 and 2 at best.
This is fair. UF should never win less than 8 games in a season.
I do think that Florida is closer to stage 2 than they are stage 1, and I think Mac winning 10 games in each of his first two seasons makes that pretty evident. I hope we can break through the 10 win mark this year, and I think there is a lot higher expectations on the team this season. The offense is as talented as it has been since Tebow left and I think the defense, although young, has a lot of guys that have proven productive that will fill into their roles nicely. This is one of the first years that I expect us to improve as the season goes on and expect us to not appear that we are stuck in the mud offensively.
I would not be disappointed with a 10-2 season, SECCG appearance, and a bowl win. I still think we are one year away from competing with Alabama, but an 11-3 season is a very positive step and couple that with another improved recruiting class, and we will be getting closer to our potential under Mac. I really like what I think he is building here. We just gotta keep taking steps forward.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:12 pm to atlgator
I think the most overlooked thing of McElwain's tenure is the fact that he's done with three stars what teams (like Georgia) fail to do with five and four stars.
There are quite a few players on our team that didn't have the stars, but they turned over and produced even as Freshmen and Sophomores. That to me is the most crucial part, because we're Florida -- guys leaving early is bound to happen even if we have 4 - 8 seasons.
I hate to be a debbie downer, but I feel that we're still at least two seasons from even hanging with Alabama. Our defense has to mature, and we have to get a lot more depth. We had a lot of guys leave early from the secondary, and it was just a monster blow from all points -- however.
Our Freshmen and RS Freshmen have obviously come to play. They went out and played hungry, it was an impressive showing of defense until our offense fell apart.
Our offense should be pretty good this year, and even in the QB region. We'll probably have a RS Freshman take the field, but, I like his arm strength and capacity to run. It'll at least make defenses HESITATE A LITTLE, which they haven't done in...well, eight years?
There are quite a few players on our team that didn't have the stars, but they turned over and produced even as Freshmen and Sophomores. That to me is the most crucial part, because we're Florida -- guys leaving early is bound to happen even if we have 4 - 8 seasons.
I hate to be a debbie downer, but I feel that we're still at least two seasons from even hanging with Alabama. Our defense has to mature, and we have to get a lot more depth. We had a lot of guys leave early from the secondary, and it was just a monster blow from all points -- however.
Our Freshmen and RS Freshmen have obviously come to play. They went out and played hungry, it was an impressive showing of defense until our offense fell apart.
Our offense should be pretty good this year, and even in the QB region. We'll probably have a RS Freshman take the field, but, I like his arm strength and capacity to run. It'll at least make defenses HESITATE A LITTLE, which they haven't done in...well, eight years?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
i honestly think that the past two seasons could be compared to 2007. Minus a heisman trophy winner and an elite offense that could almost hang with anybody.this year is when I'm really hoping we can put points on the board.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:39 am to reel_gator8
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reel_gator8
We seem to agree with a lot regarding the Gators, maybe is an "old and wise" thing. or a "great minds think alike" deal. I believe that we know and understand the history and keep an optimistic view of the future.
page 7 is up all of us I guess. This is one of the better discussions that we have had in a while. No TJGator to screw it up.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:44 am to atlgator
10+ wins is what I expect. Heck, if we are going to win 10, why not just win them all! 
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:29 am to finchmeister08
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i honestly think that the past two seasons could be compared to 2007. Minus a heisman trophy winner and an elite offense that could almost hang with anybody.this year is when I'm really hoping we can put points on the board.
Maybe just maybe we have an elite offense this year. Probably the most talented group of playmakers since 2009.
The defense should be better than 2007. They were pretty bad against the run.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:32 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Maybe just maybe we have an elite offense this year. Probably the most talented group of playmakers since 2009.
The defense should be better than 2007. They were pretty bad against the run.
100+ offenses almost every year is enough for me to give up hope until I see it actually happen.
I do know this: From production alone, this is the best young offense we've had in a long time, and their ceiling is going to be something to marvel at.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:03 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
Defense will be fine. Think they will be weak against strong passing teams, but I don't see many of those on this schedule.
Pass rush should help cover up some of the warts. I think the pass rush will be really good.
The offense is not elite. OL is average at best, and I still don't see any leadership at QB. If UF breaks #75 in total offense I'll do my happy dance.
Pass rush should help cover up some of the warts. I think the pass rush will be really good.
The offense is not elite. OL is average at best, and I still don't see any leadership at QB. If UF breaks #75 in total offense I'll do my happy dance.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:00 pm to slayerxing
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If UF breaks #75 in total offense I'll do my happy dance.
If we don't after 3 years its time for Mac to admit what Michigan and Alabama already know about Nuss and move on to a better option.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:48 pm to montanagator
We havent had an Oline that could really pass AND run block well and I disagree with the assessment of some...our OL is going to be a strength this year...finally! We have won the east in spite of anemic run game and thats because of great defense and coaching.
Our kicking game gets forgotten by most...but not by me. If you around in the early to mid sixties you would understand the importance of special teams. Back then teams would punt from their own 30 or 35 yd line on third down to avoid miscues and to play field position. Bear Bryant was a master at it. We may use that kind of extreme philosophy now...but the basic principle is still alive...you always have to play field position and a great punter like we have is worth their weight in gold.
Most dont wanna watch runs up the middle and think its boring...but there is a reason coaches do it. You have to keep defenses guessing all the time. Look at Ole Miss last year without a decent ground game and too many passes...they finished 5-7...also in part because their defense was undersized. This is why I dont worry too much about QBs...sure, it'd be great to have another Tebow, but that's a once in a lifetime player.
I feel 11-1.
Our kicking game gets forgotten by most...but not by me. If you around in the early to mid sixties you would understand the importance of special teams. Back then teams would punt from their own 30 or 35 yd line on third down to avoid miscues and to play field position. Bear Bryant was a master at it. We may use that kind of extreme philosophy now...but the basic principle is still alive...you always have to play field position and a great punter like we have is worth their weight in gold.
Most dont wanna watch runs up the middle and think its boring...but there is a reason coaches do it. You have to keep defenses guessing all the time. Look at Ole Miss last year without a decent ground game and too many passes...they finished 5-7...also in part because their defense was undersized. This is why I dont worry too much about QBs...sure, it'd be great to have another Tebow, but that's a once in a lifetime player.
I feel 11-1.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:55 am to reel_gator8
The big question remains, "Are we going to make it to 7 pages on this thread?"
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:08 pm to reel_gator8
Florida's kicking game is going to be the best in the country, or close to it for sure.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:23 pm to slayerxing
11-1.
I stand by that.
Anything less than 9 wins or if the offense is anemic yet again, McElwain needs to consider dumping Nuss.
I stand by that.
Anything less than 9 wins or if the offense is anemic yet again, McElwain needs to consider dumping Nuss.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:53 pm to boXerrumble
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11-1.
I stand by that.
Anything less than 9 wins or if the offense is anemic yet again, McElwain needs to consider dumping Nuss.
That's my prediction, we might/should drop a close game but if it's less than 9 definitely need some giant changes. Way too easy of a schedule this year. If the offense isn't put together yet, I might be hesitant to be angry -- depending on the problem.
If it's still QB, well, they have to grow and develop, too. If it's the Oline, then get someone new. Receivers and RBs have been just fine, if they regress I'll be worried.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 2:33 pm to finchmeister08
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i honestly think that the past two seasons could be compared to 2007. Minus a heisman trophy winner and an elite offense that could almost hang with anybody.this year is when I'm really hoping we can put points on the board.
How so? Mac's teams seem nothing like the 2007 team to me- that was an offensively driven team that had a young but extraordinarily talented defense. 2015 and 2016 were teams dominated by experienced, talented defenses.
He's 2-7 in games where we gave up more than 14 points; we were 8-4 in such games in 2007.
If anything this upcoming season reminds me of 2007 only without the hope we had on offense.
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:53 am to montanagator
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How so? Mac's teams seem nothing like the 2007 team to me- that was an offensively driven team that had a young but extraordinarily talented defense. 2015 and 2016 were teams dominated by experienced, talented defenses.
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montanagator
Montana, in 2007 we only returned 2 starters from our BCS NC team of 2006. The defense was very very young. I thought we were 2 yrs away from being very good on defense...but credit Charlie Strong with turning the teasm around in one year on defense and we won the BCS in 2008 with offense,defense and special teams.
Offensively we have been underpar for quite a while. Urban started it in 2010 when the Oline was neglected in recruiting and it continued for 2 more years. This has been more of a sore spot than most realize...because we had no run game (other than the blowout of UGA in Jax), its been difficult to keep chains moving.
In 2012 we came close to winning the east and we had a rock hard defense and a QB who could run in Driskel. We had faced fierce crowds in back to back road trips to A&M (for their first ever SEC game) and to Neyland, with both road games on College Gameday.
We had a flag fest game with UGA and lost....costing us. I have never seen so many flags...25 total on both teams with PFs everywhere.
2017? I think the Oline will be solid and we will have a run game that we havent had for years. That alone bodes well for whoever is under center. Third and 2 is so much better than third and 8. Coupled with a great special teams kicking game and talent on offense...I see good things.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:12 pm to montanagator
I think the comparisons between 2007 and 2017 are fair in regards to the defense. UF lost the bulk of the 2005 and 2006 defense, a hardened core of guys that had played together for a while, and started a ton of new guys in 2007.
There are a few differences though.
#1 - UF has at least 3 guys that could play safety, and play it well, and with experience. Duke Dawson, Marcell Harris, and Chauncey Gaurdner. Nick Washington has been a bit hit or miss, but I would put him on par with Tony Joiner and head and shoulders above Kyle Jackson, who were the only players with experience that returned to the secondary in 2007. That lack of a decent safety was a huge issue for UF all year in 2007, but it should be the strength of the secondary in 2017.
#2 - UF faced a number of very strong offenses in 2007. That is not the case with the 2017 schedule. Or at least, it doesn't look that way right now. Things may change as the season progresses. But there aren't any real good QBs on the schedule outside of maybe Francois at FSU.
#3 - The 2007 defensive line was bad. Really bad. Clint Mcmillan and Javier Estopinan were warriors, but you had converted OL and a walk on from Eastside High School playing a decent amount of snaps on that line. The only player on the line who had a decent year was Derrick Harvey, who was a terror off the edge. They were all SO YOUNG. In 2017, UF has a bunch of experienced guys. No one guy as good as Harvey at rushing the passer, IMO, but a lot of really solid, linemen. Cece Jefferson, Jabari Zuniga, Taven Bryan, and Khairi Clark as a starting 4 on the DL blows away the line from 2007. And that doesn't even count any of the other younger guys stepping up.
As long as UF doesn't have injuries at key positions on defense, they should be OK.
There are a few differences though.
#1 - UF has at least 3 guys that could play safety, and play it well, and with experience. Duke Dawson, Marcell Harris, and Chauncey Gaurdner. Nick Washington has been a bit hit or miss, but I would put him on par with Tony Joiner and head and shoulders above Kyle Jackson, who were the only players with experience that returned to the secondary in 2007. That lack of a decent safety was a huge issue for UF all year in 2007, but it should be the strength of the secondary in 2017.
#2 - UF faced a number of very strong offenses in 2007. That is not the case with the 2017 schedule. Or at least, it doesn't look that way right now. Things may change as the season progresses. But there aren't any real good QBs on the schedule outside of maybe Francois at FSU.
#3 - The 2007 defensive line was bad. Really bad. Clint Mcmillan and Javier Estopinan were warriors, but you had converted OL and a walk on from Eastside High School playing a decent amount of snaps on that line. The only player on the line who had a decent year was Derrick Harvey, who was a terror off the edge. They were all SO YOUNG. In 2017, UF has a bunch of experienced guys. No one guy as good as Harvey at rushing the passer, IMO, but a lot of really solid, linemen. Cece Jefferson, Jabari Zuniga, Taven Bryan, and Khairi Clark as a starting 4 on the DL blows away the line from 2007. And that doesn't even count any of the other younger guys stepping up.
As long as UF doesn't have injuries at key positions on defense, they should be OK.
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