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re: Hello anybody have thoughts on the spring game????
Posted on 5/2/17 at 1:03 am to slayerxing
Posted on 5/2/17 at 1:03 am to slayerxing
In 2007 we had Spikes and Stamper and 1 other LB (Doe?) that all had very limited snaps in 2006 and had to learn. We actually lost to a team with really mediocre offense in AU at home the year after they upset us in 2006, our only blemish (btw we were picked around 13-18th in a lot of preseason media fishwraps)...AU had just lost to USF...yes, USF and Moo State and almost lost to a very average Kan State. AUs QB was Brandon Cox who looked awful in their early games. Well we made him look like Johnny Unitas.
We have much more defensive talent this year than 2007 when you look at the DL especially. LB/DB is going to be listed as a reason media will tag us as being deleted. But they dont understand the snaps that a lot of true frosh got from injuries that last half of 2016.
We have much more defensive talent this year than 2007 when you look at the DL especially. LB/DB is going to be listed as a reason media will tag us as being deleted. But they dont understand the snaps that a lot of true frosh got from injuries that last half of 2016.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:48 am to reel_gator8
I'd say comparable talent, but a little bit more experience this year. People act like we lost everybody on defense and have no guys with experience coming back but that's not true. We return the team leader in sacks Jabari Zuniga, Cece Jefferson, Vosean Joseph, David Reese, Kylan Johnson, Chauncey Gardner, Marcell Harris, Nick Washington, Duke Dawson, and that's just naming guys who played big roles last year at a high level. Other guys like Jachai Polite, Khari Clark, Taven Bryan, Jordan Sherit, and even Antonneous Clayton played last year and were serviceable and still have plenty of room to get better
I'm not going to slight the talent on the 2007 defense. They were good but they were young and inexperienced because of how good the older guys were. This years deense is similar in that they are young, but they benefitted from a lot of starters missing multiple games on defense due to injury, and by the LSU game it was nearly all freshmen and sophomores on defense. That experience bodes very well for them this year. Plus, having an excellent home schedule helps the defense play with energy and an edge that the home crowd provides.
I think we will be fine.
I'm not going to slight the talent on the 2007 defense. They were good but they were young and inexperienced because of how good the older guys were. This years deense is similar in that they are young, but they benefitted from a lot of starters missing multiple games on defense due to injury, and by the LSU game it was nearly all freshmen and sophomores on defense. That experience bodes very well for them this year. Plus, having an excellent home schedule helps the defense play with energy and an edge that the home crowd provides.
I think we will be fine.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 am to atlgator
2007 final team stats
Just taking a walk down memory lane.
I had forgotten how good Spikes was that year. 16 TFL and 7 PBU from MLB is insane for a sophomore.
Derrick Harvey had 17 TFL and Cunningham had 12 TFL.
It really is amazing, that the biggest issue for that defense was not individual talent, but key mistakes. They really just lacked experience, but if you look back at the individuals, you can see the talent was there for the next step in 2008. I remember sitting back during the pre-season and telling my friends that UF would win it all in 2008 if the defense got better like I expected.
Honestly, if you give the 2007 Florida gators the 2016 Florida gator schedule, UF probably wins every game last year except for maybe Alabama and FSU.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:29 am to slayerxing
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2007 final team stats
Just taking a walk down memory lane.
I had forgotten how good Spikes was that year. 16 TFL and 7 PBU from MLB is insane for a sophomore.
Derrick Harvey had 17 TFL and Cunningham had 12 TFL.
It really is amazing, that the biggest issue for that defense was not individual talent, but key mistakes. They really just lacked experience, but if you look back at the individuals, you can see the talent was there for the next step in 2008. I remember sitting back during the pre-season and telling my friends that UF would win it all in 2008 if the defense got better like I expected.
Honestly, if you give the 2007 Florida gators the 2016 Florida gator schedule, UF probably wins every game last year except for maybe Alabama and FSU.
They could not stop the run when it mattered.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 6:37 pm to slayerxing
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slayerxing
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Honestly, if you give the 2007 Florida gators the 2016 Florida gator schedule, UF probably wins every game last year except for maybe Alabama and FSU.
Honestly...you are wrong For one thing the 2007 team had a Heisman winning QB who took the Gators on his broad shoulders and carried them...we didnt have that last year. You are forgetting our defense was awesome the past four years and that includes last year....it doesnt always show up because the offense kept them on the field too much. 2007 defense with our 2016 offense? Are you kidding me?
Now...I know you said 2007 Gators and not just the defense, but our schedule? 2007 Gators faced AU at home in what should have been a revenge game and we lost. The UGA game I will admit that it was a little tougher than 2016's UGA game. We got shellacked by Meatchicken in our bowl game dont forget...the defense just could not stop Chad Henne (I think he was the QB).
Now I admit I was surprised by the defensive turnaround in 2008, because of youth....but they grew up and turned in a decent year, especially after the first half of the season...they werent quite as elite as other defenses, but pretty good AND coupled with Tebow, the result was another BCS title.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:35 am to reel_gator8
Don't think I can agree with you there. Go back and look at 2008 UF'd defensive roster.
That defense was elite. Florida in general has had elite defenses pretty much every year since Spurrier was here. 2007 is one of the few exceptions.
People like to act like Muschamp brought defense to Florida and that's just not true. Florida will be fine on defense. Enjoy the process this season of watching them grow and develop into another excellent defensive group representing UF.
That defense was elite. Florida in general has had elite defenses pretty much every year since Spurrier was here. 2007 is one of the few exceptions.
People like to act like Muschamp brought defense to Florida and that's just not true. Florida will be fine on defense. Enjoy the process this season of watching them grow and develop into another excellent defensive group representing UF.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:41 am to reel_gator8
I watched the second half of the Florida Tennessee game from last year for the first time, and looking back on it, beyond Tennessee just playing out of their minds on both sides of the ball in the second half, our defense just played horrendously. I can't ever remember a Florida defense giving up so many big plays in a single game. Florida was in about as good of a position as you can be in considering we were playing a back up quarterback on the road against a hungry, top 15 (at the time) team and the defense blew it. 28 points should have been plenty for our defense and they just played uncharacteristically bad.
And the real confusing part was that we were pretty close to full strength. Tabor was hurt some in the game but outside of him, we were near 100%. We were taking bad angles, just looking absolutely lost out there. I still think we have a better coach and will be a better team next year, and we will get our revenge in a game where hopefully the defense doesn't play so uncharacteristically bad.
And the real confusing part was that we were pretty close to full strength. Tabor was hurt some in the game but outside of him, we were near 100%. We were taking bad angles, just looking absolutely lost out there. I still think we have a better coach and will be a better team next year, and we will get our revenge in a game where hopefully the defense doesn't play so uncharacteristically bad.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:31 am to atlgator
That UT game was one of the most mismanaged games by a head coach I have ever seen in the 2nd half.
Until I saw the Arkansas game.
Until I saw the Arkansas game.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 4:38 pm to slayerxing
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Until I saw the Arkansas game.
That wasn't just coaching.
The team flat out did not show up.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 5:28 pm to boXerrumble
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That wasn't just coaching.
The team flat out did not show up.
A team gives up the conference record for rushing yards and then the next week your plan is to have a rag armed game manager chuck bombs down the field....oh and he's clearly injured at the time.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:11 pm to slayerxing
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That UT game was one of the most mismanaged games by a head coach I have ever seen in the 2nd half.
Until I saw the Arkansas game
That was the best Tennessee played all year according to their own fans, and honestly, did you not see last year's Georgia team against Tennessee?
Did you not see Georgia against Vanderbilt?
That's just last year. Neither of those games are even in the top 100 of mismanaged games that I've seen.
Did you see the Super Bowl by chance?
They were the worst games of McElwain's tenure, definitely, not even close. But he's also had some pretty startling games where we should have had no chance whatsoever (Ole Miss and LSU) and he came out victorious.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Emotions are important in a college football game. We went to red stick with a LOT of emotions and pented up dislike for what the LSU admins, team and fans were saying about us and we shut them up.
In 1963 the Gators were 1-1-1 and went to Tuscaloosa to face the third ranked Tide...upset them and Bear Bryant 10-6.
Ole Miss came into the Swamp in 2008 and upset us for the only defeat of the year and that led to the promise by Tebow. Was OM better? Hell no...but they wanted it more. In 1989 in the Swamp we open the season against Ole Miss and nearly tripled the offensive stats in the game, but turnovers killed us and we lost 24-19.
Later our QB Kyle Morris and Shane Matthews were suspended for gambling on sports....7-5 we finished and our HC fired after the LSU game because the NCAA snooped into the Jarvis Williams deal of child support.
Its just not always coaching...Spurrier in his first year at UF got smashed by UT 45-3 when the score was 7-3 at the half....did Spurrier call a bad game? Naw. UT's Dale Carter took the second half kickoff and went house..that broke open a dam.
Looking at 2017 we dont know all the twists and turns that could happen....but with a little luck?
In 1963 the Gators were 1-1-1 and went to Tuscaloosa to face the third ranked Tide...upset them and Bear Bryant 10-6.
Ole Miss came into the Swamp in 2008 and upset us for the only defeat of the year and that led to the promise by Tebow. Was OM better? Hell no...but they wanted it more. In 1989 in the Swamp we open the season against Ole Miss and nearly tripled the offensive stats in the game, but turnovers killed us and we lost 24-19.
Later our QB Kyle Morris and Shane Matthews were suspended for gambling on sports....7-5 we finished and our HC fired after the LSU game because the NCAA snooped into the Jarvis Williams deal of child support.
Its just not always coaching...Spurrier in his first year at UF got smashed by UT 45-3 when the score was 7-3 at the half....did Spurrier call a bad game? Naw. UT's Dale Carter took the second half kickoff and went house..that broke open a dam.
Looking at 2017 we dont know all the twists and turns that could happen....but with a little luck?
Posted on 5/5/17 at 10:02 am to reel_gator8
One last thought, just to bump this thread back to life. Go Gators!
Posted on 5/5/17 at 10:51 pm to UFMatt
I smell 8 pages....??? I will make this one of my long drawn out history lessons which I know young ones really appreciate so much
The 2006 team had a senior laden defense and those were Zook recruits. 2007 we had to face our schedule with a depleted defense in terms of experience. 2009 we had a solid defense and the offense slipped some with the departure of guys like Harvin...etc etc. I never saw an undefeated team so criticized before...we didnt score enough points for the peanut gallery.
I dont care if we win all our games this year by 2-4 points if we get to 12-0. Ws are what counts.
If we win the east again....Coach Mac will have to get some cred...there would be no denying that he has us on the right path.
Anyone who agrees with this premise...please post here, if you disagree....go to a buried topic on page 16 of this board to reply
The 2006 team had a senior laden defense and those were Zook recruits. 2007 we had to face our schedule with a depleted defense in terms of experience. 2009 we had a solid defense and the offense slipped some with the departure of guys like Harvin...etc etc. I never saw an undefeated team so criticized before...we didnt score enough points for the peanut gallery.
I dont care if we win all our games this year by 2-4 points if we get to 12-0. Ws are what counts.
If we win the east again....Coach Mac will have to get some cred...there would be no denying that he has us on the right path.
Anyone who agrees with this premise...please post here, if you disagree....go to a buried topic on page 16 of this board to reply
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:47 pm to reel_gator8
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I never saw an undefeated team so criticized before...we didnt score enough points for the peanut gallery.
I must be in the minority here, but I was one that criticized this team. Don't get me wrong, I agree Ws are what counts, but the point margins usually depict dominant teams vs just good enough teams. We beat LSU 59-21 in 2008. How often does that happen? Have we done it sense? No, because we weren't dominant. How did we fair in 2009 against LSU? 13-3. That 2009 team got its fair share and more of luck. We were very fortunate we even went undefeated that season. We could have easily lost to Arky at home that year. That's why I say we're no where near where we could be on offense.
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 6:17 am to finchmeister08
The 2009 team never completely clicked.
It started with not blowing out Lane Kiffin and Tennessee, then Tebow's concussion, then almost losing to Arkansas. It finally seemed like we were clicking when we blew out a bad FSU team, but the following week Carlos Dunlap gets arrested. That team just wasn't hungry or was just missing something that they never could quite find.
It started with not blowing out Lane Kiffin and Tennessee, then Tebow's concussion, then almost losing to Arkansas. It finally seemed like we were clicking when we blew out a bad FSU team, but the following week Carlos Dunlap gets arrested. That team just wasn't hungry or was just missing something that they never could quite find.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 7:49 am to atlgator
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The 2009 team never completely clicked.
I agree, this could have easily been a National Championship team, just couldn't beat Bama wearing those stupid white helmets.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
McElwain has certainly had some high peaks (see ole miss) and some low valleys (see arkansas and UT) in his early head coaching career at UF.
No doubt.
And yes, the Arkansas game especially was one of the worst coached games of D1 football I have ever witnessed.
No doubt.
And yes, the Arkansas game especially was one of the worst coached games of D1 football I have ever witnessed.
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