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re: Officially concerned about this team
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Hahahahahahhahaahahahahhaha wtfffffff
It's definitely possible. Our worst ranked defense was in 2014 and they ranked 12th in total defense. All the other defenses were top 10.
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:27 pm to 1BamaRTR
I just think that these thoughts are extremely reactionary.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
How? There's a reason this defense is taking a step back and it's because they lost too many impact players (and the injuries). I personally don't think this defense is going to get top 5 levels. I don't think the DL has the right personal to do so.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:42 pm to RollTide1987
quote:The Utah blueprint and Bama's kryptonite
Teams have obviously seen something on film because Fresno was able to move the ball effectively with quick passes. Colorado State started the game off with long developing pass plays and paid the price for it. They only had 11 yards at the end of the first quarter. But then they started getting the ball out of their QB's hands after two or three steps and started moving the football as a result.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:45 pm to Funky Tide 8
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extremely reactionary.
Well duh. We are reacting to what we see with our eyes. We have one elite dlineman this year and our pass rush isn't even fair right now. Sure we have a good defense but we took more than a few steps back from what we are used to. I admire your attitude, I really do but we lost our 3 best pass rushers to injury and that is after the NFL gutted our front seven from last year. The sky isn't falling but this defense just doesn't stack up to the last 2 years and we are some spoiled arse fricking fans bro so we are gonna talk about it. Evans coming back will help a ton.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:46 pm to 1BamaRTR
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How? There's a reason this defense is taking a step back and it's because they lost too many impact players (and the injuries).
Which is something that we knew was going to happen.
Yet, two games into the season, most people on this board were pretty excited about the defense, and thought they were definitely one of the best in the nation.
Now, after one meaningless game that was never in question, missing some very key players that will be coming back, with young guys getting some experience, this is now the worst defense since 2007.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:48 pm to Commander Data
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Well duh. We are reacting to what we see with our eyes. We have one elite dlineman this year and our pass rush isn't even fair right now. Sure we have a good defense but we took more than a few steps back from what we are used to. I admire your attitude, I really do but we lost our 3 best pass rushers to injury and that is after the NFL gutted our front seven from last year. The sky isn't falling but this defense just doesn't stack up to the last 2 years and we are some spoiled arse fricking fans bro so we are gonna talk about it. Evans coming back will help a ton.
Word.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:49 pm to TideSaint
quote:pretty much all our stalled driver this year have been when we put tua in or rushed najee at the goal line. I have zero concern about the offense. My only concern with the defense is the injuries and penalties. Injuries can't do anything about, penalties are understandable with so many inexperienced people playing. Seemed like every time we got them in 3rd and long yesterday we would basil then out
Our offense was fine with Jalen leading the charge.
Once we put in Tua and Najee we went 3 and out on consecutive drives.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:59 pm to Gary Busey
quote:misleading stat. Csu outgained Colorada. They had 10 penalties for 120 yards. They really shot themselves in the foot in that game
Keep in mind, this was an offense that scored a grand total of 3 points vs Colorado.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:22 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Hahahahahahhahaahahahahhaha wtfffffff
We've had some great defenses over the last 10 years. Its not a crazy statement to say we might eventually have one that isn't better than any of those.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:33 pm to FairhopeTider
Fairhope, that's the rub. We are comparing defensive players to years past. NS had plenty of hubris last year keeping the ones all game every game. Looked great like golden state 2 yrs ago. Come playoff time we got wore out. NS learns from his mistakes, looks average now, but will help him in the playoffs when they come together.
Trust me, this D will be what we are use to. Not the DL , but as a whole unit
Trust me, this D will be what we are use to. Not the DL , but as a whole unit
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:38 pm to Bamadoc
Yea, maybe I should have clarified up top. I'm not "concerned" as in I think this team is going to go 8-4. We're still very good, and our league stinks.
Now, we could easily lose 1 or 2 games (I guess), but I still very much like this team AS OF RIGHT NOW winning the SEC Title. However, I don't like at all the team RIGHT NOW beating elite, Top 5 teams like Oklahoma and Clemson.
But it's mid-September. We have time to improve.
Now, we could easily lose 1 or 2 games (I guess), but I still very much like this team AS OF RIGHT NOW winning the SEC Title. However, I don't like at all the team RIGHT NOW beating elite, Top 5 teams like Oklahoma and Clemson.
But it's mid-September. We have time to improve.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:41 pm to FairhopeTider
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We've had some great defenses over the last 10 years. Its not a crazy statement to say we might eventually have one that isn't better than any of those.
I'm not saying that its not possible, but to think that just because of how they performed in this one game impulsive to say the least.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:45 pm to Funky Tide 8
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but to think that just because of how they performed in this one game impulsive to say the least
For me, at least, last night was kind of a culmination of a few games
- Lack of QB pressure all 3 games without blitzes
- Seeing what we are starting at LB now with all of the injuries (part of which will be fixed when Evans returns)
#1 - We aren't nearly as good up front, either against the run or pass rush. That's expected. We had one of the all-time great fronts the last 2 seasons
#2 - We are really frickin young/inexperienced at end and LB. We make mistakes that previous teams never made. Losing contain, running up field on HB release/screen throwbacks, missing tackles because we overplay something, etc. A lot of those things are experience things, and these guys are learning on the fly as opposed to prior groups. I'd say the things I noted above cost us 100 yards last night.
Those are really the biggest issues, to me. The secondary is what it is. They are still very good, but the whole system of how we play is susceptible to great throws/catches (which CSU did last night with a very good QB and WR). That happened to our great defenses. The biggest issue right now is hidden yards given up on misplays/busts/inexperience and the changes we have to make to get pressure.
Hopefully Evans coming back changes some of that. Not sure there is a fix for the DL, but Pruitt and Saban will just have to be smart and find ways to win with pressure packages. That's what other teams that don't have 7 NFL DL have to do and they make it work.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Also, I will add, Bobo is fantastic at scheming against those things. He has always been great at finding inexperience/weakness and baiting you into exploiting it.
They are a good football team. I'd be shocked if they won less than 9 games in a league that isn't real good anymore.
They are a good football team. I'd be shocked if they won less than 9 games in a league that isn't real good anymore.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I don't remember all this worrying and complaining about our D last year when Austin Allen shredded our D in the second half against Arky. Most people realized it was just stat padding and that we dominated the game. Which is exactly what happened yesterday.
Bama fans are so spoiled it's sickening. So what if we do lose two games? Or go to the playoff and get beat? If that's a failure to you, then you don't deserve Saban. The man has already won 4 SEC titles, 4 national titles, and played for 5 at Bama, all in 10 years. And made the playoff every year and would have made it every year since 2008, except 2010. That's more than most SEC schools will ever do in their entire history. It's shite like this that causes great coaches to leave or retire. That's why Spurrier left UF, fans weren't happy winning the SEC and going 10-2, they wanted more.
Sure people have a right to be critical, but damn Bama fans are spoiled now and people have just as much right to point that out and be happy with what they see from the team this year.
And as someone who was alive when Bear was coach and has been though it all, since then, my advice would be appreciate what we have and savor every moment because this is something EXTREMELY rare and you'll probably never see success like this at Bama again. If you do it could be 50 years from now.
Again, I'm not saying don't be critical, but I am saying appreciate what we've got, while we still have it.
Bama fans are so spoiled it's sickening. So what if we do lose two games? Or go to the playoff and get beat? If that's a failure to you, then you don't deserve Saban. The man has already won 4 SEC titles, 4 national titles, and played for 5 at Bama, all in 10 years. And made the playoff every year and would have made it every year since 2008, except 2010. That's more than most SEC schools will ever do in their entire history. It's shite like this that causes great coaches to leave or retire. That's why Spurrier left UF, fans weren't happy winning the SEC and going 10-2, they wanted more.
Sure people have a right to be critical, but damn Bama fans are spoiled now and people have just as much right to point that out and be happy with what they see from the team this year.
And as someone who was alive when Bear was coach and has been though it all, since then, my advice would be appreciate what we have and savor every moment because this is something EXTREMELY rare and you'll probably never see success like this at Bama again. If you do it could be 50 years from now.
Again, I'm not saying don't be critical, but I am saying appreciate what we've got, while we still have it.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:20 pm to Othello
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I don't remember all this worrying and complaining about our D last year when Austin Allen shredded our D in the second half against Arky
Colorado State had 176 yards at halftime. They had 147 yards in the 2nd quarter. The game was not over at that point. The game was over when Arkansas started scoring all their points and throwing for big gains. The were down 3+ touchdowns on every single one of their scoring drives in the 2nd half if I remember correctly (and I do, because I noted it while debating someone on the rant).
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Bama fans are so spoiled it's sickening. So what if we do lose two games? Or go to the playoff and get beat? If that's a failure to you, then you don't deserve Saban. The man has already won 4 SEzc titles, 4 national titles, and played for 5 at Bama, all in 10 uears. That's more than most SEC schools will ever do in their entire history. It's shite like this that causes great coaches to leave or retire. That's why Spurrier left UF, fans weren't happy winning the SEC and going 10-2, they wanted more.
If we lose more than 2 games I'll be disappointed. I mean, I'm not going to apologize for analyzing our team and comparing it to the other Top 5 teams in America. Nobody is sending in death threats. Nobody is tossing bricks through windows. Nobody is saying Saban has lost it, our coaches suck or the roof is caving in. We are discussing, on a message boards, areas of weakness that we see. Pretty rationally and calmly, I'd say too.
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And as someone who was alive when Bear was coach and has been though it all, since then, my advice would be appreciate what we have and savor every moment because this is something EXTREMELY rare and you'll probably never see success like this at Bama again. If you do it could be 50 years from now.
As someone whose only Alabama football memories before the Saban era were dogshite, including 4 years of college that were the 4 years of the Shula era, I can assure you that I take none of this for granted and love every second of it. I still watch the games and like talking about what I see. That's the entire reason I post on this message board. Our standard is being the best, and right now we aren't the best on defense. I think our coaches would agree with that and are working their asses off to improve on it. I have no worries about that.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Complaining about a nearly 20 point win is not rational. Look around the SEC, other teams would die for an SEC championship, let alone a playoff appearance. That game was never a game yesterday and you know it.
Bama fans are the reason Dabo will not come home when mama calls and why it will be nearly impossible to replace Saban with a proven coach. Nobody wants to coach a team where the fans complain about 20 point victories. Let alone fans who freak out when a team loses a game or two. Dabo will not want anything to do with that pressure. He's the best thing to ever happen to Clemson and they love him.
MSU blew out LSU, Auburn looks terrible and will be lucky to have a winning record. Butch can't win more than 8-9 games. Sumlin was made by Manziel and is a proven fraud now. Mac can't keep a lead when he's ahead and is barely winning a shitty east. Kirby is still unproven.
The rest of the SEC is struggling to win games but our fans are griping because we don't play perfect games. We haven't played perfect in any of the last several sesons, you people just block out the bad games because of the success at the end of the year.
But yeah let's gripe and complian that we didn't beat Colorado State 56-0 and hold them to under 100 total yards.
Again in 2010, we were fricking steamrolling everyone. We had to replace 9 starters on D and everyone including me thought we were unbeatable. It really is better when there are still obvious areas of needed improvement because it motivates the team and coaches and gives them something to aspire to.
Bama fans are the reason Dabo will not come home when mama calls and why it will be nearly impossible to replace Saban with a proven coach. Nobody wants to coach a team where the fans complain about 20 point victories. Let alone fans who freak out when a team loses a game or two. Dabo will not want anything to do with that pressure. He's the best thing to ever happen to Clemson and they love him.
MSU blew out LSU, Auburn looks terrible and will be lucky to have a winning record. Butch can't win more than 8-9 games. Sumlin was made by Manziel and is a proven fraud now. Mac can't keep a lead when he's ahead and is barely winning a shitty east. Kirby is still unproven.
The rest of the SEC is struggling to win games but our fans are griping because we don't play perfect games. We haven't played perfect in any of the last several sesons, you people just block out the bad games because of the success at the end of the year.
But yeah let's gripe and complian that we didn't beat Colorado State 56-0 and hold them to under 100 total yards.
Again in 2010, we were fricking steamrolling everyone. We had to replace 9 starters on D and everyone including me thought we were unbeatable. It really is better when there are still obvious areas of needed improvement because it motivates the team and coaches and gives them something to aspire to.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:39 pm to Othello
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Complaining about a nearly 20 point win is not rational
I'm not "complaining". I'm taking what I saw and applying how that effort would result against future opponents not named Colorado State.
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Look around the SEC, other teams would die for an SEC championship, let alone a playoff appearance. That game was never a game yesterday and you know it.
Sorry, we are Alabama. I don't really care if programs like Ole Miss and Kentucky would be ecstatic beating Colorado State by 20. I wasn't ecstatic beating teams like Colorado State by 20 in 2004 so I'm sure as hell not going to be jumping over the moon if we are doing it now.
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Bama fans are the reason Dabo will not come home when mama calls and why it will be nearly impossible to replace Saban with a proven coach. Nobody wants to cosch a team where the fans complain about 20 point victories.
I mean, again, you act like people are saying anything different than what Saban is no-doubt saying in team meetings. You act like we are running around throwing things at buildings, rioting and saying he doesn't have it anymore. Good grief man, is your point that we can't point out areas that need improvement solely because we beat a Group of 5 team by 3 touchdowns?
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But yeah let's gripe and complian that we didn't beat Colroda State 56-0 and hold them to under 100 total yards.
Not even close to what I'm saying. I don't understand why people keep exaggerating the points that have been made in this thread.
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Again in 2010, we we fricking steamrolling evryone
No we weren't. We hammered hapless SJSU and Duke (who was terrible), sloppily beat an average Penn State team at home then snuck out of Arkansas with a win. We then hammered Florida (who stunk) before going to South Carolina and getting whipped. We sloppily beat a terrible Ole Miss team by 13, hammered Tennessee then lost in ANOTHER sloppy game at LSU.
I'll finish with this, again. I don't think this team is helpless or falling off a cliff. I think we have some areas of concern, specifically in the front 7. Part of it may be fixed by Evans return, part may be fixed by young guys getting experience. I still am very confident in winning 11-12 games and the SEC Title. I'm not sure this team as currently constructed can beat 2 Top 4 teams in December and January (and that doesn't mean I'm devastated or pissed or mad, it's just analysis).
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:40 pm to Commander Data
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but we lost our 3 best pass rushers to injury
I mentioned this in another thread. Maybe Evans had proven something last year but Lewis and Miller had not yet. Both Lewis and Evans along with Jennings went out in the 1st half of the FSU game. Our defense played its best half in the 2nd half of the FSU this season so far IMO. Only Miller was around for that half until he got hurt.
My point is we knew coming into the season we had a lot to replace and do not know if those guys were the answer just because what they had done in camp. What I have seen we just lack consistency and leadership out there and until that happens I am not sure it matters who is out there.
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