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People are making it sound like you can get a Hisense Roku?

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Hisense makes smart TV's with native ROKU interface and remote. When I say Roku TV, that's what I'm talking about anyway......

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The issue is whether Scripture authorizes Christians to address departed saints in prayer and seek their intercession or protection.

No text commands it, no text models it, and several texts warn against religious recourse to the dead. It is bad Roman pagan-syncretic dogma.

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You're using Sola Scriptura as your burden of proof. Ironic, because Sola Scriptura is not biblical.

1 Tim 15, The church is the Pilar and foundation of truth.

You're also using theological exclusion, that somehow silence on a matter means prohibition. That itself is not biblical either.

Regardless, the saints in Rev 5:8 are already bringing our prayers to God. Asking other living souls to pray for us is affirmwd throughout the bible.


And then, of course, we have history.

There are examples of intercession prayers from the 200s.

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1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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Asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ's mediatorship. Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because He is the only person who is both God and man the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us.

In fact, just four verses before 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul urges: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men." Paul is clearly not saying intercession is forbidden he's commanding it.

Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." If the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers.

In Revelation 6:9-11, the martyred saints in heaven cry out in a loud voice to God. This means that the saints in heaven are praying for those on earth, and God answers their prayers (Rev. 8:1-5). We therefore ask for their intercession and protection.

"Elders" in heaven (dead saints) spoke to St. John (Revelation 5:5; 7:13-17), and John spoke to one of them (Revelation 7:14). Communication between heaven and earth is clearly not off-limits in Scripture


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If you're going to use Scripture, you gotta use all of it.....

The fair has been trashy and dangerous since I can remember, which was at least early 90s. Let Gonzales have it.

I think he's talking about executing a pass. Just because someone wants to drive 90mph in the left lane (because they are late) doesn't mean that someone else executing a pass in the left lane(closer to the speed limit) is in any way wrong.

Have you tried an enzyme treatment for the drain?

Motor oil recycling and crude oil pricing have little correlation. Most people don't change their own oil anymore, and even for the ones that do, you're talking about gallons per year in most cases.

Indeed. Sean Mullaney's tax planning book hammers this home. Everyone should read it.

Willie James Flooring out of Central. Best there is.

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I am approaching the scenario from the broader sense of how we can learn

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That is entirely different than how you assessed blame previously.

You and I would probably agree on 99% of matters of the church. Let us be intentional with our support of anyone who is brave enough to do the right thing and make reports, no matter how they are made. The victim, in this particular case, went through the effort to make sure the alleged abuser was investigated by law enforcement AND church authorities. He did the right thing, and that's all that matters.

I stand by what I said. The victim witnessed no crime, but reported what he heard the Priest say to church authorities. After unsatisfactory response, he called the police. You cannot hold the adult victim to the same standard as church authorities.


You're still wrong, and I still believe your attitude is antithetical to justice, healing, and the betterment of the church.