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You will never have a federal justice sstem that has one level.of criminal penalties for point shaving in college basketball and a separate set of penalties for point shaving in college football.

Point shaving in college sports is nothing new. The precedents for the conferences and the NCAA have been in place for well over half a century. I have no knowledge whether OM football has a point shaving scandal or not, but either way, their chances of being kicked out of the SEC for having one are exactly zero.

Plain and simple, point shaving in college sports just doesn't move the needle much. The matters are left to federal prosecutors and civilian sports administrators don't get involved.
In 2012, when the Auburn basketball player was indicted for point shaving, was there any discussion that Auburn might get kicked out of the conference?

Point shaving doesn't get a school kicked out of a conference.
aggy was just as giddy when they finally got all their dorms fully air conditioned. That was 10 years ago and what started the era of aggy calling themselves "rich." Evidently aggy thinks having air conditioning is only for rich folks.

Their definition of "high class" is their dream of building a retaining pond next to their stadium. Lol.

aggy is surrounded by four of the 11 most populous cities in the nation. Not only does no one want to move to College Station, they can't even get their own alumni to stay there after graduation.







I laugh at the ignorance of those who praise the administrators of educational institutions for not spending money on education or student services.

When analyzing revenue and expenses for SEC schools, did you adjust the LSU numbers to reflect the money they sent over to the academic side to help with the core mission of the institution? Nope.

Did you adjust the numbers to account for the subsidy the Texas A&M academic side gives the athletics department by allowing the athletics department to borrow well into eight figures from academics at zero interest and pay it back over decades at $1 mil/yr? Nope.

If your kid's high school shut off the heating and air conditioning to save money and generate a budget surplus, would you praise the decision while your kid was miserable while in the classroom? Nope.

Public universities are given public funds to educate students and prepare them for life. You aren't doing the kids any favors by not spending money that is available. If the athletics department has millions in excess revenue, what favors are you doing by not spending more on their education? Skimping on education spending leads to adults who don't understand the a lot of money available to a university, but not spent on education or student services, is a good thing.

Quit measuring success on how much is available but is not being spent to benefit the students. Government is not supposed to be generating huge sums of unspent money. Money not spent on students is a sign of failure, not success, unless your goal is to see how much the state can take from the people and give back as little as possible.
Lol. Nice try, but if making up ad hominem fairy tales is all you have then why do you even bother trying?

By the way, when is the financial Juggernaut that is aggy athletics finally going to pay off the debt you first took out from the academic side back in 2006? One would think a program so wealthy wouldnt have to take two decades to pay its debts off.
When aggy did their stadium project, they raised less in alumni donations than Okie Lite did when they redid their stadium. However rich aggy wants to claim to be, in cold hard cash (not the $350 million they borrowed for the project) aggy isn't even Okie Lite rich.
The money going out for aggy's last payment on the stadium is listed as item #56, on page 42. Just over $57 million. $137 million was aggy's actual total for operating expenses, which is where the revenue for the ags should drop to starting next year.

Here is the financial report the numbers were taken from. If you want to see something really interesting, look at item #55, total institutional endowment - $416.8 million. THAT is the actual number for the TAMU College Station endowment. Everything else they claim is another $700 million that is the TAMU System endowment and the 1/3 portion of the UT endowment they receive income from because they are still legally a branch of Univ of Texas. aggy routinely misrepresents this as being the endowment of TAMU College Station.

LINK
I don't post on any board under any name other than this one and never have. You should know that by now.

And I did not slur you in any way. I was merely trying to confirm your understanding of economics was a product of the education you received at the University of Arkansas. When I share what you posted earlier, I want to get the school correct.
Just so I get the details correct, you did get your understanding of economics from classes you took at the Univ of Arkansas, correct? I want to make sure I get the institution correct when I tell the story.
Again, find a good junior college and take a few economics classes. Tax exempt since 1959.

SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE
2201 RICHARD ARRINGTON JR BLVD N, BIRMINGHAM, AL 35203-1103 | Tax-exempt since Sept. 1959

EIN: 63-0377461
Classification (NTEE)
Amateur Sports Competitions (Recreation, Sports, Leisure, Athletics)
Nonprofit Tax Code Designation: 501(c)(3)
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FYI - The NFL and the New York Stock Exchange were non-profit corporations for decades.
Thanks for the "SEC level" lesson on economics. I needed a good laugh and you guys sure delivered.

Just a suggestion - find a good junior college and take some more economics classes. Start over and you might understand it the second time through.

The Southeastern Conference isn't a planned economy. It is not "the living and breathing definition of capitalism." It is a not-for-profit corporation chartered to handle the administration of select aspects of the operations of the athletics departments of the SEC member schools.

I knew SEC member schools had weak academics, but supposedly being college educated and not understanding the difference between corporate structure and an economic system is just sad.

aggy cares about this big time. They live and die by the Burnt Orange Yardstick. Everything aggy has and everything they do has to be measured against UT Austin.

What aggy doesn't want to discuss is that their financials have been skewed as of late by the contributions for their new stadium. They borrowed roughly $350 million in taxable municipal debt and financed the rest through contributions that they are SOOOO proud of.

And while their stadium contributions are material, what aggy doesn't want to admit is their "wealthy alumni base" couldn't even match what the Oklahoma State alumni ponied up for their stadium project. So, while aggy claims to be rich, they aren't even Okie Lite rich. Or Oregon rich. Or UT rich. Or....

aggy's problem is that aren't a wealthy group. Kyle Field was originally built the same year as the Big House in Ann Arbor. Because Michigan has regular success, they have the revenues to do regular maintenance and expansions. The Big House is, and pretty much always has been, a mecca for college football and a damned nice stadium. aggy, on the other hand, only has success once every couple of decades (again, they have only finished above .500 in conference play twice in the past decade and they haven't even sniffed a conference championship in almost 20 years. Hell, aggy couldn't even win a BCS game, a feat even Kansas, Connecticut, Utah and West Virginia managed). The fact is aggy barely can pay their bills in many years and they have to let their stadium maintenance suffer. Their old stadium was horribly decrepit, non-ADA compliant, and deemed a safety hazard by the Fire Marshall (Seriously. Ask them why they couldn't even light the letters on the outside of the old stadium, It was because the electrical system was that dangerous).

aggy used the conference switch and the 2012 season to fuel a fund raising drive to catch up on stadium infrastructure issues. Sadly, they still haven't been able to pay back their academic side for the debt they have owed them since 2006 (aggy athletics couldn't pay their bills in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 or 2012 so they had to beg tens of millions from the academic side to payLINK debts).

Now that aggy has to begin to pay their immense athletics debt (over $400 million if you add bond debt and commercial paper debt) the fun begins.

Good luck aggy.

One quick fun fact - aggy hasn't been able to afford an outdoor track facility on their campus for years. They finally found the money to build one. It will seat 3,000 spectators. The Texas state high school track meet draws about 20,000 peak attendance, so the new aggy stadium won't be even close to being big enough to handle the state high school track meet. Where is the Texas state high school track meet meet held? At the track stadium on the UT Austin campus. Why is that? Because only UT Austin can afford the facilities. When a major university can't even afford to build facilities to host a high school track meet, something is very aggy. lol.

Remember, my SEC friends - No Givebacks!
My God, how do you people, suffering with only an aggy-level education in financial literacy, function in society?

The LHN deal isn't a media rights deal. It is a licensing agreement. ESPN pays an annual licensing fee to the university. The ESPN deal with the SEC member schools is a media rights deal where the net revenue is shared between ESPN and the conference. The difference is that the UT/ESPN/LHN deal offers a set amount each year that is independent of the number of ESPN subscribers. The ESPN/SEC deal exposes the member schools to cord-cutting and declining subscriber numbers.

Look at Item 15 "Royalties, Licensing, Advertisements and Sponsorships." P5 on the aggy report, P4 on the UT report. UT kicks the ever living shite out of aggy, in part because of the LHN licensing payment. And remember, this report doesn't include the 15 year, $250 million NIKE deal that kicked in in late 2016.

The aggy Adidas deal is for $4.5 million in uniforms (retail prices) and $2.6 million in cash annually. The new UT/NIKE deal was for $20 million upfront (not included in the linked report), $6.5 million annually in cash as a base amount, uniforms and apparel, etc, etc. That works out to over $16 million/yr.

UT has higher ticket sales than aggy, lower debt service, higher NCAA distributions, higher conference distributions, higher concession sales, higher athletics endowment income.

Do you people not read or do you not understand what you read? Which is it? Help me out here.



Who is begging for attention? Someone insulted me and I responded to that post. Since then, I haven't begged for anything. I'm just answering questions. People are free to quit asking questions and I will quit responding.

Matter of fact, I have to leave in a few minutes. It's been fun.

If you want to know about the founding of aggy, here is a link to a thesis written by an aggy for a graduate degree at aggy that will explain whatever you want to know.

LINK

aggypedia - the best place on the internet for getting the real facts about the agricultural branch college of The University of Texas. Whoop!

LINK
Never heard of Schriever AFB, but thanks. Now I know.

For a minute I was thinking you were speaking of Carswell, but Horace Carswell graduated from TCU, not aggy. The aggys fraudulently claim him as being an aggy, but he was at aggy for a semester, hated it, enrolled at TCU and graduated there four years later.
The "registered sex offender" story is another aggy fairy tale they made up. So far, they have mis-idenfied me by name, they have fabricated I was a sex offender, presumably allowed to have internet access while in prison - think about that), they have identified some woman who they insist is my ex-wife (I have never been divorced), they have decided I live on someone's couch, and a bunch of other nonsense.

aggy makes up stories about a lot of things. It's what they do. They can't handle the factual world around them, so they grasp hold of fairy tales, fabrications, conspiracies and rewritten versions of history to help them cope. It's sad, but it's what they do.
Lots of questions here. Is an Air Force base named after an aggy. Not that I am aware of at this time, but the old Bergstrom AFB was named after one. Is that what you were going for?

As for the founding of aggy and UT. UT was first established by the Texas legislature in 1858. The endowment was part of the money Texas was given for settling its western border with New Mexico. During the Civil War, the UT endowment was plundered by the legislature so afterwards, the money wasn't available to organize the school and get it operational. aggy was established by the legislature in 1871 and was subordinate to the 1858 act that established UT. In 1876, the ag branch college was organized and began operations. In 1883, the main university began operations. In 1915 and 1919 the voters of Texas voted down constitutional amendments that would have separated UT and its agricultural branch college. Today, aggy is still legally a branch of The University of Texas.

Does that answer the question?

If you want a more detailed explanation of the history of aggy, here is a site you can visit. It also has footnotes and original sources so you can read for yourself where the info came from.

LINK
"Total freak" is a bit harsh, isn't it? All Randolph Duke does is point out the idiocy, dishonesty and hypocrisy of the aggy culture and that supposedly qualifies as a being "freak"? If so, I take solace in knowing being considered a "freak" is not nearly as bad as being called "aggy." When grown adults believe in fairy tales like the aggy version 12th Man story that doesn't even fit with E. King Gill's explanation of the events; or when they believe the aggy fake military stories (did you know even the Univ of Washington has more alumni Medal of Honor recipients than aggy?); or when aggys celebrate fake national championships in football (do you know U of H has more overall NCAA national championships than aggy? As does Okie Lite. Hell West Virginia has more NCAA championships in one single sport than aggy has in all sports, both genders)...now THAT level of idiocy qualifies as freaks. As in freak show of a culture.

Those idiot rednecks have no clue who Randolph Duke is. They haven't even considered the possibility that "Randolph Duke" might be a collaborative effort and not just one single person.

Whoop!

re: SEC enrollment

Posted by Randolph Duke on 3/28/17 at 9:17 am
Claiming "to have grown 602% over 50 years" is a bit misleading. Texas A&M College Station is famous for playing games with regard to their enrollment to be able to counter the "UT's little brother" slur with "but look at our enrollment."

Does anyone (other than aggys) think a bigger enrollment is really a meaningful metric? Does anyone (other than aggys) believe TAMU College Station has an academic advantage over Harvard, UC Berkley or UT Austin because they claim an inflated enrollment figure? A soaring student/teacher ratio (over 23%), slipping in the USNWR academic rankings every year, declining institutional funding per student, one-third of all students completing two or more years of their education at a junior college and a 70% admission rate are not much to brag about.

The TAMU reported enrollment figure includes students who have never been within 12,000 miles of College Station, Texas as being on the College Station, Texas campus. The TAMU enrollment numbers include their Ft. Worth law school, the TAMU Galveston campus, the jihadi diploma mill in Doha, Qatar (that is located right next to a radicalized Islamic mosque) and five separate health science centers.

It also includes quite a number of part time students, over 11% of actual College Station enrollment.

A more accurate way of looking at the TAMU College Station enrollment is how the Texas legislature looks at it for funding purposes, which is on a full-time student equivalent basis. Under that metric, the latest figure for TAMU College Station enrollment is 50,386.

Seriously, how many other schools in the nation other than Texas A&M and the University of Phoenix consider as enrolled students, and grant diplomas with the school's name, to individuals who have never set foot on the campus, never sat in a classroom on campus for even a minute or even come within 12,000 miles of the campus in their life?

The actual numbers for TAMU College Station can be found on page 33 of this document: LINK
I've long said the only opinion that matters at this point is that of the Texas Attorney General.

The question still stands, "Why are the Aggies so reluctant to just be honest with people about the history and tradition of their school? Who do they constantly act honestly and with integrity as a last resort each and every time?"

And to be clear, the issue isn't they embellished their tradition. The issue is they knowingly filed a false trademark application and they have subsequently knowingly filed false pleadings in federal court to defend the trademark. It isn't about embellishing the facts to create a tradition. It is about fraudulently misrepresenting the facts under oath in various federal filings.