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re: My new theory on the markets, tariffs, and where I think we end up
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 4/6/25 at 10:03 pm
Ya I think it sucks for those people. Does that mean we should just always have inflated PE values?
My new theory on the markets, tariffs, and where I think we end up
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 4/6/25 at 9:53 pm
Hey everyone, I’ve got a theory on why the stock market’s been tanking since President Trump dropped those global tariffs, and why it’s actually a *good* thing in the long run. The S&P 500 was riding high, peaking around 6,100 with a crazy P/E ratio of 27, way above the historical norm of 15-17. That’s like the market was pricing stocks as if they were as safe as government bonds, betting Uncle Sam would swoop in with bailouts no matter what. But those tariffs threw a wrench in that fantasy, and now the market’s waking up. Instead of panicking, I think this is the start of a healthy reset that’ll make things better for all of us.
Here’s the deal: that sky-high P/E of 27 meant stocks were overvalued, with prices out of whack compared to what companies were actually earning. Investors got cocky, throwing cash at anything with a ticker symbol, assuming the government had their back. But tariffs mean higher costs and slimmer profits, and suddenly, nobody’s so sure about those bailouts. The market’s now scrambling to find a more realistic P/E, closer to the historical average of 15. This shakeout is painful, nobody likes seeing their portfolio bleed, but it’s like clearing out a cluttered garage. It forces money to flow to companies that deserve it, not just the ones riding the hype train.
Let’s break it down with some quick math to see where this might land. At its peak of ~6,100, the S&P 500 had a P/E of 27, which means earnings were about 226 (6,100 ÷ 27). If the market corrects to a P/E of 15, keeping those same earnings, the S&P would settle around 3,390 (226 × 15). That’s a big drop, about 44% from the top, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s the market getting back to reality, pricing stocks based on what companies actually produce instead of blind optimism. Sure, it stings now, but this kind of reset stops the bubble from growing until it pops way worse later.
Why’s this a win? Because a market with a sane P/E rewards good businesses, the ones innovating, growing, and delivering real value. Right now, too much cash is tied up in overpriced stocks that don’t justify their valuations. This correction, sparked by the tariff shock, is like hitting the refresh button. It’ll hurt short-term, no question, but long-term, it means capital goes where it’s most effective, building stronger companies and a healthier economy. So yeah, the market’s rough, but I’m betting this rebalance sets us up for something better.
What do you all think?
Here’s the deal: that sky-high P/E of 27 meant stocks were overvalued, with prices out of whack compared to what companies were actually earning. Investors got cocky, throwing cash at anything with a ticker symbol, assuming the government had their back. But tariffs mean higher costs and slimmer profits, and suddenly, nobody’s so sure about those bailouts. The market’s now scrambling to find a more realistic P/E, closer to the historical average of 15. This shakeout is painful, nobody likes seeing their portfolio bleed, but it’s like clearing out a cluttered garage. It forces money to flow to companies that deserve it, not just the ones riding the hype train.
Let’s break it down with some quick math to see where this might land. At its peak of ~6,100, the S&P 500 had a P/E of 27, which means earnings were about 226 (6,100 ÷ 27). If the market corrects to a P/E of 15, keeping those same earnings, the S&P would settle around 3,390 (226 × 15). That’s a big drop, about 44% from the top, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s the market getting back to reality, pricing stocks based on what companies actually produce instead of blind optimism. Sure, it stings now, but this kind of reset stops the bubble from growing until it pops way worse later.
Why’s this a win? Because a market with a sane P/E rewards good businesses, the ones innovating, growing, and delivering real value. Right now, too much cash is tied up in overpriced stocks that don’t justify their valuations. This correction, sparked by the tariff shock, is like hitting the refresh button. It’ll hurt short-term, no question, but long-term, it means capital goes where it’s most effective, building stronger companies and a healthier economy. So yeah, the market’s rough, but I’m betting this rebalance sets us up for something better.
What do you all think?
re: Trump looks to end carried interest tax loophole, hitting Wall Street’s wealthiest
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 2/7/25 at 9:55 pm
The example I provided is the carried interest loophole essentially.
Person A is getting a larger share of the gain than their pure investment would warrant. In this case person A is the GP.
Another example:
Person C invests $0 in a company
Person D invests $1000k in a company.
The company doubles in value over 5 years.
Person C is allocated $100k of the gain
Person D is allocated $900k of the gain
Capital gain tax is 15%
Ordinary income tax is 30%
How much should Person C pay in tax?
How much should person A pay in tax from my previous example.
I don’t have an opinion on this topic. Just illustrating how it works.
Person A is getting a larger share of the gain than their pure investment would warrant. In this case person A is the GP.
Another example:
Person C invests $0 in a company
Person D invests $1000k in a company.
The company doubles in value over 5 years.
Person C is allocated $100k of the gain
Person D is allocated $900k of the gain
Capital gain tax is 15%
Ordinary income tax is 30%
How much should Person C pay in tax?
How much should person A pay in tax from my previous example.
I don’t have an opinion on this topic. Just illustrating how it works.
re: Trump looks to end carried interest tax loophole, hitting Wall Street’s wealthiest
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 2/7/25 at 9:50 pm
I don’t get what you mean I did not downvote. I like the topic. I don’t post much so let me know if I am doing something wrong.
re: Trump looks to end carried interest tax loophole, hitting Wall Street’s wealthiest
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 2/7/25 at 3:06 pm
Here is a hypothetical.
Person A invests $100k in a project
Person B invests $900k in a project
5 years later they sell the project for $2 million. Resulting in $1 million in capital gain total.
Person A gets allocated $200k of the gain
Person B gets allocated $800k of the gain
long term capital gains rate is 15%
for purpose of this conversation lets assume income tax is 30%
What should person A be taxed?
Person A invests $100k in a project
Person B invests $900k in a project
5 years later they sell the project for $2 million. Resulting in $1 million in capital gain total.
Person A gets allocated $200k of the gain
Person B gets allocated $800k of the gain
long term capital gains rate is 15%
for purpose of this conversation lets assume income tax is 30%
What should person A be taxed?
Why not make h1b extremely highly paid?
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/28/24 at 7:22 pm
I was thinking how we could truly attract the best. Surely the best are worth a lot on the open market.
Here is my proposal.
$100k min salary starting at age 20.
Needs to increase by $10k minimum until 35. So at 35 if you’re not making $250k you got to go back.
This allows truly exceptional people to come in and prevents abuse of low cost wages to suppress American workers.
Also - once in an h1b visa you can switch companies easily as long as new company hits wage requirement.
Here is my proposal.
$100k min salary starting at age 20.
Needs to increase by $10k minimum until 35. So at 35 if you’re not making $250k you got to go back.
This allows truly exceptional people to come in and prevents abuse of low cost wages to suppress American workers.
Also - once in an h1b visa you can switch companies easily as long as new company hits wage requirement.
re: Mt Rushmore of MAGA
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 11/6/24 at 7:20 pm
All time:
Donald
Bannon
Elon
Tucker
This cycle
Donald
Elon
Rogan
Vance
Donald
Bannon
Elon
Tucker
This cycle
Donald
Elon
Rogan
Vance
re: Last SEC Game on CBS
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 8:07 pm
I hope they use a new theme.
Last SEC Game on CBS
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 7:35 pm
Let’s get back to important topics..
The last SEC game was played on CBS yesterday. End of an era.
The last SEC game was played on CBS yesterday. End of an era.
re: What the 12 Team playoff would have looked like this year
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 2:23 pm
Even in hypotheticals Bama gets all the breaks!
re: Saban Botox or facelift?
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 12:01 pm
!!
Saban Botox or facelift?
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 11:56 am
His face looks different
LSU caused this mess
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 12/3/23 at 10:37 am
Couldn’t beat FSU earlier in the year.
re: We aren’t the team I thought we were.
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 9/5/23 at 4:01 pm
This LSU team would probably beat all his ND teams. He just doesn’t know what it’s like to coach a better team.
re: Next 4: Kansas, UNC, Duke, Virginia
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 8/5/23 at 6:59 pm
This gets us to be the top basketball conf. Kansas basketball rights are worth a lot. What conf could compete?
Next 4: Kansas, UNC, Duke, Virginia
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 8/5/23 at 6:16 pm
Immediately become top conference in top 3 sports. Footprint works.
re: Kansas to the SEC
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 7/6/22 at 6:04 pm
If SEC could pull
Kansas
Duke and/or UNC
I say we do it.
I would say go for it. I think Kansas basketball rights are worth a lot. Financially they would be a net addition at current payouts.
Kansas
Duke and/or UNC
I say we do it.
I would say go for it. I think Kansas basketball rights are worth a lot. Financially they would be a net addition at current payouts.
re: LR led LSU on til Saturday before the game
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 11/29/21 at 4:16 pm
SW thought LR was coming until Saturday.
LR led LSU on til Saturday before the game
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 11/29/21 at 4:10 pm
Inside source says the wife wanted to live on the coast. LR used LSU to negotiate a better deal. LSU thought he was coming til right before OUs game with OSU. Also USC paid a few hundred thousand more which doesn’t really make sense.
re: Sumlin's wife just posted a racist/threatening letter her husband received on Twitter
Posted by ryanthe4aces on 9/8/17 at 6:31 pm
On the non cancled stamp:
Stamps are not always canceled on non profit or presorted mail.
The USPS would require the mail to presorted (and that is one explanation of the barcode).
Hopefully this provides some clues on whoever wrote this horrible letter to Sumlin. The number of people that have access to non profit and presorted mail is much more limited than the general population.
Hoping this is not a repost!
Stamps are not always canceled on non profit or presorted mail.
The USPS would require the mail to presorted (and that is one explanation of the barcode).
Hopefully this provides some clues on whoever wrote this horrible letter to Sumlin. The number of people that have access to non profit and presorted mail is much more limited than the general population.
Hoping this is not a repost!
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