GangnamStyle

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I only object to using dishonest arguments and cherry picking stats to suit your claim. I agree he is not as good as Saban or Meyer, criticism of the in game adjustments and offensive development is valid.

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I can respect that, but trying to have an honest discussion as to why both of those guys are significantly better than Les is only responded to by these Les E-Knights with "But he's 3-3 against both. While true, both are in different levels.

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What doesn't get discussed enough is the OL play. IMO the OL was poor in 2008 and 2009. I was better, but still avg in 2010. Last year looks like a fluke and the OL was as bad as JJ on 1/9. Its been bad this year.

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I agree with this in some regard. OL play was bad, but Les and company did absolutely nothing to adjust and give them some help. It was quite evident that LSU's players just quit in that title game, but only after their head coach clearly wasn't giving them any shot.

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Defense may win championships (outside of Auburn the last 5 winners have all been in the top 10 in total defense) but defense exclusively won't win championships. You have to be able to chew up yards and put some points up.

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LSU's offense changed last year from the Bama game on. The offense was called extremely well, but after that game, it was extremely hit or miss, and much had to do with the benching of Lee and super conservative play calling.

I mean, people need to realize that while it worked for a few yards, we called a freaking speed option to the short side with Mett yesterday.

It all goes back to the playcalling being slow and no adjustments.

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First off, you are wrong, in 2010 LSU and Bama were even. So when all teams were even, Les is 0-1 v Meyer and 2-1 vs Saban.

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I'll stand corrected on 2010, but not 100%. Alabama simply lost a ton in 2010 on the defensive side of the ball. It is one thing to lose 4-5 players on each side. Bama lost 9, NINE!, starters on the defensive side of the ball.

LSU was returning most of its starters and just looked like a poorly coached team on offense.

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Yeah, while it ain't great, it's far from the other.

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Lee really wasn't as bad as his stats/pick 6 issues made it out to be. They did absolutely nothing to help him with play calling that year. They tried to force some of the pass plays despite having a legitimate running game.

2008 would've been the perfect season to have a 65/35 run to pass ratio, but for some reason we didn't do that. :lol:

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Exactly. He's a tight end that was athletic enough to basically take an end around to the house (he decided to step out for some reason), but we couldn't get him open down the seam against linebackers ever? WTF?

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TE development has been horrible under Ensminger. He's a waste of space and has killed that part of our offense for the most part.

He has one of the most physically gifted TEs in history and uses creativity in his play calling. That's the major difference.

LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.

Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.

Crazy thing people forget is that UO defense held Auburn basically the same score-wise and better yardage-wise than LSU's or Bama's defenses in 2010.

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and this dumb arse shite didn't sit around when we used to get our arse kicked all the time. Check out Miles record vs Meyer and Saban. Check out his record against anyone. The guy is a winner, and that can't be denied. We have lost 3 regular season games in like the last 30. He just needs to bring in someone and let them coach the offense.

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First off, I was around plenty when LSU sucked. I lived through multiple losing seasons through the 90s, and was at nearly everyone of those games.

Furthermore, Les has won ONE NC that he got a shot at based on a fluke. LSU may have been the best team that year, but no team needed more eff ups by other teams to win a title. I never said Les sucked, but to claim he is the best in the business makes you the dumb arse not me. Saban beat him when it counted and Meyers did too when it came to winning a title.

When has Les beaten either team in a championship year for them?

Against Meyer, Les won in:
2005 (Meyer's first year/rebuild)
2007 (Meyer's rebuild year after an NC and losing basically every starter on defense)
2010 (Meyers rebuilding year again)

Meyer on the other hand beat LSU when they had a championship caliber team talent-wise in 2006.

Against Saban, Les won in:
2007 (NC caliber team playing a rebuilding Bama team)
2010 (3-loss Bama team coming off an NC and losing basically its entire defense)
2011 (I'll give him credit, he beat Saban straight up here)

So 1 win when both teams were on the same level. Good to know.

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The guy flat out has been as successful as anyone in College football

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No offense but this is straight false.

Saban and Meyer have been significantly more successful. Both won 2 titles, have multiple 1-loss or better seasons, multiple SEC championships, etc and both took over rebuilding jobs unlike Miles.

No one has done less with more starting material than Les Miles except for Larry Coker. :lol:

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We just have no talented players capable of executing the game plan.

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:lol:

Execution is definitely an issue, but that also goes back to the coaches. Dropped passes, blown blocking assignments, and bad throws are all player mistakes, but some of it is due to coaching when it isn't limited to just one player.

I stated in a previous thread that there is clearly a delay/hang up in getting plays called and to the players on the field, and Mett and the players aren't having enough time to make adjustments, read the defensive alignments, call audibles. Earlier in the season, it seemed to be smoother, but now without LSU getting easy scores early, maybe Les is just having every single play go through him for approval.