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LSU Military Museum's Director has nothing on this in his LSU ROTC uniforms. LSU archivist at the library is going through the band pictures through the years. I think it's band officer's or Director's cap. Might be earlier than I originally thought but no one has presented a good photo of the band uniforms from 1947-1958. 58 the uniforms were destroyed in a fire. I just can't believe I'd have the only one out there. Someone's got to know. LSU is leaning band but has yet to confirm.
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Now - this is very likely before the Ostwald cap could have been a factor (this picture is 28-29), but look at the up front trombone player - THAT looks reasonably like a gold/silver braid style strap as opposed to the others


Interesting as someone replied from LSU stating that Ohio St Band still uses the ROTC officer's insignia. So I definitely think this is band related.


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Now - this is very likely before the Ostwald cap could have been a factor (this picture is 28-29), but look at the up front trombone player - THAT looks reasonably like a gold/silver braid style strap as opposed to the others


I saw this picture and I do believe it's band related. I wonder if there was a cadet band separate from the marching band at some point?




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That's the insignia device worn on the cover (cap/hat) of students in the ROTC program in the 1940s and 50s


No, thanks for tangent and information. Lol.
This is the reply from the Director of the LSU museum. So who flipping knows.

I am not sure about the hat. It doesn't come up in any of our uniform records. But I am interested to know more about your uncle! We are actually in the process of researching for an Iwo Jima exhibit and would love to include his story and any artifacts you may have.

Thank you,
James Gregory

Director
William A. Brookshire LSU Military Museum

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ignores tag inside hat that reads: "1 Apr 13"*


Definitely didn't ignore it. I'm not sure what date that would be? Can't be 1913 nor 2013. Company wasn't in business on either date. If the "1" is the year...what year would that represent?


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I’m sending him a note now. He’ll read it in the morning.


Appreciate it.
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construction, it appears to be an interwar period (1919-1939) dress hat for an Army officer. Surplus items would have been used by ROTC programs. A commissioned officer example from that same time period (very similar in structure to the one in your picture) can be found at this eBay auction that has concluded.


Definitely a later period but agree that it's an officer's by insignia. The issue is the maker of the hat being only known to make band uniforms, the gold cord and color of the hat doesn't match LSU ROTC colors.
Examples are these hats are much closer. Same maker and are band director or band officer designed. Just trying to figure out what group wore this at LSU. Plus if you look at LSU pics from the period they were very in line with the US Army..probably not using band caps with incorrect colors. LSU's ROTC was pretty on point back in those days. Plus the maker only wasn't in business that early on...I believe they started in 1940.

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Have you reached out to the Cadets of the Ole War Skule organization?


Not yet. I have reached out to the LSU Brookshire Military Museum, LSU archivist at the library, LSU band chapter of history and alumni secretary and Ms. Faye Phillips who wrote A History of LSU’s Marching Band. Ms. Phillips has so clue and gave me her contacts at LSU. She retired from the library. It seems there's a gap in everything documented publicly related to the band from 1946 - 1958. Probably bc the football team was terrible and enrollment was super low after WWII. All these guys are looking. It's piqued their interest as well. It's certainly some ranking member it belonged to. I'll reach out to the Ole War Skule organization as well. I appreciate your input.
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Can’t help you but that’s a cool piece of history.


It really is. I collect WWII medals and anything vintage LSU and in 30 years I've never come across another cap or the LSU officer's insignia ever again. I just wish it could be identified.
Something else I found not long ago that's kind of cool.
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Could be. They did have drum majors after 1946 I believe is the date they broke away from ROTC but the uniforms remained military until 1958. They had drum majors previous but it was earlier before Huey P. Long was assassinated. After he was killed LSU went back to military and therefore had ROTC Band Officers.

This is an excerpt from the book Kingfish U:

In January 1931, LSU announced new band uniforms that maintained the unit's military bearing while introducing additional elements, including aiguillettes— a braided, gold cord resembling the French decoration for valor-which looped over the players' left shoulders. The military-style caps were now made of purple cloth and trimmed with gold braid. Around their coats, members wore a gold belt.*
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But this cap is later than 1930's.
See 1935 and 1945 (this one is close)But neither are it. I can't find any good pics from 1949-1958. [url=LINK ] [/url] [url=LINK ] [/url] [url=LINK ] [/url]





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Perhaps a non standard cadet uniform for honor guard, Pershing Rifles, Scabbard and Blade etc..


Been searching that too, but nothing yet. I can't have the only cap like this. I'm waiting to see who made the band uniforms in the 1950's. The History and Alumni Secretary of the LSU Band's honor society is digging too. The maker was a band uniform manufacturer. You'd think LSU military museum would instantly know but they are looking too.
The band director Castro Carazo in 1935 had the gold cord. However once he left, LSU went back to military. Later Thomas Tyra in early 1960's cap has the gold cord as well. However, I can find no pics of any band director conducting between 1946 - 1960. Lol. Apparently the band was still in military dress until they had to get new uniforms due to a fire early 1958. In 1958 the uniforms were modernized but the Director Tyra still wore a military cap. The other thing is the Army buttons on the cap that make it weird as well. I appreciate your input Ace.
The LSU military museum says the color nor the cord is correct to be ROTC. Their strap was leather. The archivst at LSU library thinks possibly Band Director or Band Officer. He's still researching. Not many uniforms nor hats pre-1958 from the band made it from the Music Hall fire.

I'm too leaning something ROTC bc of insignia. The Ostwalt thing throws it off though.
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Ask a military sub on reddit. People on there are very resourceful.


I will do.
I've had this military style cap for several years. It appears to be late 40's - 50's. It has officer ROTC/Army insignia but the cap was made by Ostwald, Inc who made band uniforms. I reached out to the Ms. Faye Phillips who authored the book on the history of the band but she is stumped as well. I know the band was ROTC until the end of WWII but I can't find any info on uniforms. I reached out to the military museum and they are looking as well. Thought maybe someone here could ID. Appreciate it.


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