gabster121

Yeah, I looked into more specifics...

Leinart:
career rating 70.8, 5 years in the league, played in 29 games, 16/36 TD/Turnover ratio
Threw for 3900 yards.

picked 10th overall, 2nd QB (behind Young, another probable bust)

Signed for $14 MIL guaranteed OVER 5 years.

JaWalrus:
Career rating: 65.2, only 3 years in the league, played in 31 games, 19/48 TD/TO ratio
Threw for 4000 yards.

picked 1st overall, 1st QB of that class.

Signed for 31 MIL guaranteed over 6 years, (total 60MIL)

So... By what metric is Jamarcus better than Leinart? Leinart has been a dissapointment, but Jamarcus deserves the title of worst QB draft ever, IMHO.
Leinart got paid $3500 for every yard he threw for, and Jawalrus got $7500. Leinart played in roughly the same number of games, although he was a backup and only started about half of them, yet threw for nearly as many yards and TDs, and created almost half as many turnovers.
Ryan Leaf, on the other hand, had WORSE career numbers, but wasn't even the top QB taken in his year (he went behind Manning). Based on that I put Jamarcus as the worst pick all time.

Pretty stupid comment by OP.... Leinart has not been great, or maybe good... but he really hasn't had much of a chance. I grew up in AZ and am (unfortunately) a Cardinals fan... as soon as Wisenhunt came it it was clear he did not like Leinart.
Leinart had a decent/good rookie year, and was then supplanted by a HOF quarterback. The situation was not optimal, and when he opened his mouth that it was personal he was just cut. He still has a chance to go out and find a starting job, and it is possible he will find one and turn out to be a decent QB. Unfortunately he is currently behind another very good QB, but probably he'll be traded or re-sign with so many teams needing help at that position. Again, as others have said, he was 10th in the draft, and wasn't even the first QB taken that year... I would agree "disappointing" is appropriate but not "bust". No way.
Russell is the biggest bust, IMHO. He was the first pick in the draft- which is not usually reserved for needs by any team, but for the best overall athlete. Leaf cannot claim that. And he's been terrible. And he's not even playing anymore, so he's done. As things stand, Leinart is still an NFL football player, and Russell is just a fat unemplyment benefit recipient.

he did the right thing. If he would have tried to pick it up, but then dropped it, and OSU recovered it and ran it for a first down, everyone would be saying "why didn't he just fall on the ball?" That's what you are SUPPOSED to do- secure possession.
Who would have thought, with Arkansas' momentum and ball movement, that they could't score from the 19 with over a minute to go?

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Receivers for Arky did have a bad game but it was the Ohio St defense that won the game.

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This. And OSU's defense was only so-so. Of course, Tressel's play calling did them no favors.

Alabama. No one thought Utah stood a chance and they smoked them.

This game, most sane, nonSEC homers knew OSU is a much better team. They're probably the 2nd best team in the Big 10, vs. maybe the 3rd or 4th best SEC team.

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I smell a Route!
Like I said earlier, as soon as Arky settles down and makes a few adjustments, the blowout is in inevitable! Cmon Hawgs!!!

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LOL!! looks like you were right... Too bad its Arkansas getting routed!

If you saw the second half of yesterday's game you'd be crazy to think any team would "smoke" Stanford right now. They have the best defense in the Pac 10 and the second-best offense. That is something. Maybe Alabama and LSU have a better defense than Stanford right now, but I don't think any other SEC team's defense is as good. This is definately one of the top 5 teams in the country. I would say the other 4 are Oregon, Auburn, TCU and Alabama. I don't think you could really say who's best amongst these teams and would have to let them play.

With that said I think Stanford beats Arkansas 8/10 times.

I don't understand the SOS argument as to who is better. I can see it for who is "more deserving" but as to who is better it doesn't make sense. If a team in C-USA recruited a team full of Jesuses and went unbeaten you guys would still say they are not as good as Arkansas because "Arkansas played 5 ranked opponets!!!!11!". SOS is beyond a team's control and should have little bearing on how well they play/how good they are. Again, see 2009 Utah vs. Alabama.
///but but but they just didn't show up!!!

Jake Locker = Ryan Leaf
Cam Newton = JaMarcus Russell

Who would you rather have? How about neither. There are 2 PAC-10 quarterbacks better than Locker right now (Nick Foles and Andrew Luck) and at least 1 SEC quarterback better than Cam Newton (Mallett).

Yeah, Cam's hot a high ranking, but it's because he's throwing to wide open receivers since the defense is trying to hard to contain him.

First off, many of you should take a deep breath about this game. There is really no way of knowing which way this game will go. I realize most of you are just a bunch of SEC homers, but still...
Since AU's games against teams from other conferences do not significantly overlap with Oregon or PAC-10 teams, we can only speculate, about as well as who would win in a fight between Spider-man and Green Lantern.
Fact is, Oregon's offense has been unstoppable this year. You cannot judge AU's ability to stop them on ONE GAME where Cal did a decent job. Cal sucked this year. Anyone who watched Boise St. lose to Nevada should know any team can have a bad day/not play well/give up for a half (remember AU/ Alabama? Who was the better team there?). That's pretty much like saying Oregon will crush AU because they have no defense since they gave up 332 yards passing to Arkansas back-up.
Will this game be like USC-Texas 2005, where there were 2 unstoppable offenses, one unstoppable player, and it just comes down to who has the ball last; or more like USC-Oklahoma the previous year where one team is more physical and the media loves them (calls them the best CF team of all time) vs a team that just waxes its opponents by 20-30 ppts/game?

I think Oregon is more balanced and has a better offense than any team in the SEC, and AU cannot count on coming back from 24 ppts down (or even 14). Similarly AU is more physical than any PAC-10 team with Cam Netwon, who's in his own planet when it comes to talent.

I think this game is a toss-up.

/PS Don't knock ASU. They are young, but a very talented team. By all accounts they should have beaten Wisconsin at Wisconsin this year, and only lost it with missing a gimmie FG and then lost a chance to tie with time running out by missing an extra point

Thanks for your reply. I hadn't heard anyone talk about this, and it seemed like the elephant in the room DESPITE Cam being found eligible to play THIS week.

IMHO deductive reasoning compels us to believe that Cecil got his 200K + from someone related to Auburn. Regardless of what evidence exists currently (available to us) in the form of writing/text, the testimony of those involved is still very damning. I think if Auburn wins the BCS championship game and Cam wins the Heisman, this will drag out for years before us, and ultimately both will be recinded.