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re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 10:59 pm
r/Dune is chock full of the nerdiest Dune people to exist. I would take a look at their reaction threads and see if there is any explanation. I plan on doing that, because you bring up a great point. Unless my memory is just totally fricked, but I don't think that is the case here (surprisingly).
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re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 10:55 pm
Yep. As far as I understand it, you're right. I know they fled the machine wars, but I thought it took them thousands of years to get to Arrakis. Hell, they were slaves on Salusa Secundus for a while before that. Admittedly, the timeline for their exodus is super murky, but from what I know, there's just no feasible way that Fremen could exist on Arrakis at this time.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 10:47 pm
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But isn’t Shai-Halud a Fremen name?
The name is Arabic. It means "thing of eternity." It is only "Fremen" in that it stems from a language they use. It would be like saying "Allah" is Egyptian. It's really just a Muslim word more than its Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian, etc.
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They named the worm this so why is the princess talking about the Fremen and Shai-Halud on Dune?
It's more of a word referencing God for them. The worms are a manifestation of Shai Hulud, so that's why they call them that. Shai Hulud is a physical manifestation of God, not necessarily multiple worm Gods themselves. That being said, I do not think that it is proper for the princess to be referencing those things at this point in the timeline. Could you make an argument that the Zensunni currently refer to Shai Hulud at the time of the show? Maybe. But that is some serious deep dive crackpot hardcore Dune lore. There's no way they intended for that. It's almost certainly a mistake in understanding the timeline.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 10:10 pm
Zensunni/Fremen weren't on Dune yet. As to whether a Shai Hulud existed at that point, we don't really know. The name is Arabic, and the Fremen, aka Zensunni, descend from an Arabic ethnic group. As to whether that entity existed before the sandworms, we don't know. We do know the worms are an invasive species on Arrakis, and there is a popular theory that the Zensunni brought the worms with them. So if that is true, then it's possible Shai Hulud existed at the time of the show.
But there's no way you can convince me the show runners did that much research into the lore. :lol:
But there's no way you can convince me the show runners did that much research into the lore. :lol:
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 9:59 pm
The Zensunni arrived on Arrakis around 7200 AG, IIRC.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 9:29 pm
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The line accomplishes nothing
I thought it showed that she knew when she had pushed her limit too far and had to back down, but she's arrogant enough to have the last word anyway. RM Mohiam just wouldn't have backed down at all. It shows the gulf in respect and presence that the Sisterhood has at the time of the show versus the time of the books.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 9:18 pm
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That’s not clever, it’s stupid and you’re wrong, just checkout the announcement thread.
Meh, it's a single line. For me, it shouldn't really be blown up into anything more than it is, but I shouldn't be dictating what makes good art to others. Just a matter of taste. You're entitled to that. It came across as sarcastic arrogance to me, which is classic reverend mother material.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 9:09 pm
It feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Did the "school teacher" quip really bother you that much? Rev Mother Mohiam had clever one liners throughout the books. They were haughty and arrogant just like Valya. The tone in the show is certainly less stark and bleak than the movies. But it's a television show, that's to be expected.
I rarely post on the movie/tv board, so I really don't want to jump to any conclusions, but it seems like you came into this show ready to hate it no matter what happened.
I rarely post on the movie/tv board, so I really don't want to jump to any conclusions, but it seems like you came into this show ready to hate it no matter what happened.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 5:57 pm
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Nobody can brush their teeth without asking them first. Cmon man
Well, I mean, they're advisors. People rely on advisors. I do agree that I think the show is going a bit heavy handed with the portrayal of the reliance on them right now, but it's easy to forget we're only two generations into the Sisterhood. At this point I don't think anyone realizes how nefarious they actually are, so at least in my head canon (which could be totally wrong) I imagined that most of the great houses wouldn't have any reason not to trust them. Keep in mind, "The Voice" isn't even a known thing at this point. Nobody in the show is expecting what we already know from Messiah/Children/God Emperor.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 4:12 pm
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They’re advisors, they don’t rule everyone like in this show.
But they don't rule over anyone in the show....
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/25/24 at 12:27 am
Good catch, I didn’t even notice that.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/24/24 at 10:22 pm
The scene when the acolyte underwent the spice agony felt exactly like I imagined it when reading the books. They nailed that, IMO. Creepy AF.
Also, the emperor is a bitch.
Also, the emperor is a bitch.
re: Nobody Wants This on Netflix, the most ironically titled series ever
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/21/24 at 5:39 pm
I rolled my eyes when my wife suggested it, but it was very good. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
re: Did Jaime Lannister have the biggest wasted character arc ever?
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/21/24 at 4:12 pm
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GRRM CLEARLY has something completely different set up for Jaime.
Jamie could not be more different in the books. Easily my favorite book character and my least favorite TV character. He is so incredibly different; I have no idea what they were thinking when they wrote him in the series.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/21/24 at 9:07 am
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Fun fact I learned last night. The Bene Gesserit are rip-offs of the Jesuits on Banks and Carrollton which has always been an all girls school.
:rotflmao:
I spit out my coffee.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/20/24 at 5:27 pm
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on a scale of 1-10, how woke is this show?
Felt like a 0 to me. But it is a show about a female order. It wasn't like they threw it in your face, though. They just went on with the story without really addressing it.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/20/24 at 5:25 pm
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the characters continued to do a lot of telling instead of showing
This is a very fair criticism. While I enjoyed it, the pacing felt pretty off for that reason and the reason you brought up RE the time jumps.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/20/24 at 3:20 pm
Definitely not a necessary scene, but it was nice seeing that a normal society functions under the surface. I guess it was just more unexpected than anything else. A good unexpected....albeit unnecessary.
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/20/24 at 3:11 pm
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felt a little too much like I was watching Dune Euphoria
This got a chuckle out of me. :lol:
re: Dune: Prophecies Thread
Posted by BleedPurpleGold on 11/19/24 at 4:32 pm
Ah, good call. Yeah, hopefully its something like that. I always appreciated that the setting at least attempted to ground the space magic in real science.
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