Microtiger

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You're making the assumption that the Bible is the only way out of being a Satanist. Which doesn't stack up, as does the original picture show.

In any case, Let's flip the script on your example. Let's say that the Liberals in Baton Rouge have Bibles, but only 1% make the kids read their Bibles. However, in Ethel, 100% of Parents make their kids read it. Which place is better off in that case?

The problem is that you, and all equity arguments, automatically equate resources with equity. And that's why this becomes a class struggle, and that's why this always turns into taking from someone, because it's simply a resource argument.

When looking at the picture, it's probably better to show equality as giving each person the same tools and materials to make a box, or a structure to stand on. In that case, think about each person, and what they would have to do to "See the action" on the field. That's equality, that should be America. We should all get the same tools with limitless circumstances. We shouldn't get the same setup or resource, that's impossible.

Yes, the kid on the end can make a box and see the action, or he can make a ladder and see above everyone else, but some people have to figure out how to make a better structure. That takes work, it takes a supportive culture, etc. But that doesn't mean you can just keep taking the resources from someone else, that's unfair.

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Your idea of also adding a percentage of parents that actually make their kids read the Bibles is a good point, but it muddies the metaphor again. To then make it all work, though, the disadvantaged community needs both of the factors going against them. But let's forget the Bible thing altogether, because I like where you went with the "building your own box" thing.

I totally agree! But assume in the metaphor that the kid on the end isn't a kid, but a midget. It still works for the kid, but you'll just say the kid will grow out of it, so let's say it's a midget. He's shorter than everyone else, for a reason he can't do anything about; THAT is the whole point. The midget will have to build something that the others don't have to build, and all the time and effort the midget puts into building that box the others have put into building other things that help them out even more. There's only so many hours in a day, and the midget will always be playing catch up with the building, even if they all have the same tools and materials.

By the way - genuine thanks for engaging legitimately, and you made really good points.

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In shear numbers there are more white people living in poverty than black people.

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It's not about shear numbers, it's about percentage.

Let's think of an example that works, imagine a bunch of rich elite liberals in Baton Rouge, and a few good upstanding country farm boys in the little settlement of Ethel. Let's say 90% of the disgusting Baton Rouge liberals can afford to get their kids a Bible, and only 25% of the poor farmers in Ethel can do the same. Baton Rouge's population is 224,149, so 22,414 kids go Godless. Ethel's population is 3,584, so 2,688 kids go Godless.

A generation later, and all the kids in Ethel are little Satanists! The 10% of kids in Baton Rouge who didn't have Bibles still had friends who did, and they steered them back to the light. The kids in Ethel weren't as lucky, because more than half of them had no such holy scripture.

The local parish steps in, and they can only afford 10,000 Bibles, so they send 8,930 (89.3%) Bibles to Baton Rouge, and 1,070 (10.7%) of the Bibles to Ethel. After all, it's by the numbers!

But now, an Ethel family says. Those damn liberals in Baton Rouge! Why did they get all the Bibles? We have it worse here! They ought to send us even more Bibles, because our kids are the ones deep in the Stank of Satan!

It's more than equity in the moment, it's the fact that most black people's grandparents or parents lived in radically different times than white people's did, and that has absolutely ruined their current place by no fault of their own. I mean, damn, my mom was the first white student at the school in my hometown. That is NOT that long ago!

Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally. Oh and about the metaphor I used, if you're not a Bible person, replace the Bibles with guns and the kids turning to Satan with...I guess the kids turning into vegans.

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So the metaphor was actually shite like others asserted

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When you're looking for problems with it, yeah it is!

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What is the motivation of the baseball players to play if their product is free?

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I'm pretty sure the metaphor is supposed to have nothing with them all getting equal access to the game for free that they didn't pay for, it was just something interesting to put on the other side of a fence.

But now I'm realizing yeah they should have picked something better for them to be watching, haha.

It's a pretty good metaphor if you're not a callous selfish hole of a person

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10) expanding food assistance programs
Fair enough, although the issue is mainly centered on Democratic states / urban areas controlled by Dems. It is pretty much illustrates how poorly run those states etc. actually are.

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Some problems in big cities and urban areas are actually because they are big cities and urban areas, not because there are a lot of liberals there.

Some problems in the country and isolated areas are actually because it's the country and they are isolated, not because there are a lot of conservatives there.

Thanks Obama

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every one of those is a one sided Leftist viewpoint.
He's killed jobs.... opened the borders and made America less safe for our women and children in less than one week.....
but go ahead and keep defending him.

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Bro, and you answered with a bunch of one sided "Rightist" viewpoints.

That's politics.

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The kingdom of Aksum was one of the four great powers of the ancient world

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This was the greatest extent of Aksum (styled here as Axum) I could find, and it's well past the ancient era (obvious since Rome already split; this is 400 AD). They were even smaller before then, and didn't exist at all in the "true" ancient times, as in Athens vs. Sparta and before and all that.

So I'm gonna call BS on it ever being one of the top 4 of anything ever.

It's like trying to explain evolution to a young earth creationist or astronomy to a flat earther. It's just not possible to convince someone who is so deeply attached to their beliefs. Nobody's going to change anyone's opinions.

And unfortunately a lot of this stuff takes so much prerequisite knowledge to explain and discuss properly, but people without it will do "research" and think they don't need it, when that research is just YouTube channels and internet sites that agree with what they want to think.