AnakinTWH

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Cam was arrested for stealing a laptop...which he threw out a window when police arrived. He was convicted and had it removed from his record after doing community service as a first time offender. Both he and his dad, denied any contact with Rogers until voicemails were provided to the NCAA with Cecil's voice. THEN Cecil admitted guilt. And you suggest I simply take their word for it? Not exactly credible.

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You know for a fact that the NCAA has voicemails with Cecil's voice on them? My gut is that Cecil came forward and admitted this or let Auburn know what happened, and that's why things are coming out the way they are now.

And I should take some random person on the internet's word over what Auburn and the NCAA so far have revealed? Not exactly credible.

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But you realize what Cecil did was an NCAA violation right? You grasp that, right? It's not a subjective thing. I worked in collegiate athletics for a long time and sat through more compliance meetings than I care to remember. You DO realize Cecil violated regulations....right?

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Yes I realize that. I didn't say Cam shouldn't have ever been ruled ineligible, even for a day. i acknowledge, accept, and agree with what the NCAA has released so far about the violations. I'm not saying Cecil Newton is a saint and that none of this is warranted. All I said was prove to me the Newtons took money before you go deciding that Auburn forfeits everything and Cam is a cheater.

You don't think there should be a difference in punishment for solicitation without the athlete knowing about it and actually receiving benefits? I do.

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He was ruled ineligible for less than 24 hours. What new evidence did AU receive that they didn't have prior to the UGA game? Or 4 days earlier before the Bama game? You're telling me they didn't have any reason to believe violations were committed prior to those games?

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No, I don't think any new evidence was presented. I feel like the NCAA and Auburn chose this time as the best to do it. I think Auburn knew this was going to happen, right down to knowing that the NCAA Eligibility Committee wasn't going to rule that Cam was retroactively ineligible. In the initial press release it's right there. "From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible." I feel that Auburn knew this would be the case, so they played him until either they felt it necessary to try and do something to clear the air, or they agreed with the NCAA that this would be how they did it.

Again, I don't know everything going on here. You claim to have worked in collegiate athletics for a long time. I'll take you at your word. But something is going on here beyond Auburn being pushed by the NCAA to win a BCS title. I feel like the timing of this was planned and agreed upon. It's all too convenient to just be out of the blue.

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If this happened, do you think it's appropriate behavior for the NCAA? This question is not meant to be a flame or criticism in any way, because I also believe that Cam should still be eligible, unless the infractions committee ultimately finds something several months down the road.

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Mikey, I agree. I think he should be eligible, and I wonder if the behavior is appropriate. I think him being the star player on a potential national championship team definitely has a part to play in it, but at the same time, shouldn't it?

With as many questions and rumors swirling around about this, everyone kept saying the NCAA needed to say/do something about this. The NCAA did it, and it's not what a lot of people expected/wanted.

The NCAA pointed out in the release from Emmert that in those other cases, there was proof that in some way the student/relative actually received the improper benefit. The solicitation violation was why he was sat, and then reinstated when they decided by their own rules that the circumstances lead them to believe Cam had no part of it and didn't receive anything. That's my best guess as to why they did it like they did.

Well for AU there's Ginn, the entire school of engineering is named after him. Rane is a big deal too. Lowder sits on boards and stuff but that's because of his name and his daddy. His monetary sway is a lot less than it used to be since he screwed the pooch with Colonial.

you know, the way the fricking show is all set up and scripted, I bet Finebaum didn't actually call Dye. Bet he told him not to call in or that the segment would be cancelled.

Drum up ratings, no? Add a bit of intrigue? That's what Finebaum does, he stirs the pot.

JMHO

Carlos Rogers (AU) - DB