stinger78
| Favorite team: | Georgia Tech  |
| Location: | Buford |
| Biography: | Born a GT fan. Became a GT alumnus. Still a GT fan. |
| Interests: | GT sports |
| Occupation: | I need a job. I need a life. |
| Number of Posts: | 68 |
| Registered on: | 12/11/2008 |
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re: The Fake Punt..
Posted by stinger78 on 1/1/09 at 8:57 pm to byubengalboy
There are a lot of things that piss me off in a football game. Calling a fake punt on our own 20 yard line pissed me off. Losing 38-3 pissed me off. Having the fumble return for TD called back pissed me off. Having a fake punt go for a first down, when we needed the ball, pissed me off.
Can you comprehend this?
It's a completely different issue from whether it is right or sportsmanlike or not. I don't think it's good sportsmanship, but I can't control what someone else does. It's football, not ballet. If the opposing coach is trying to score tossing 60 yard bombs late in the 4th up 35 points, its up to me to make him rethink in whatever way I can control. Punishing the QB is the only thing I can do, and if it's all I've got, then I'll use it to the max.
Sorry if you cannot grap that fact.
And BTW, you need to study up on football rules. Cut blocks are perfectly legal and used at every level by every team. Even saw LSU use a few cuts last night. Cut blocking is what our OL is taught. Occasionally 2 OL get on the same guy and it can result in a chop. Chop blocks are not legal. Completely different technique.
But how would you know, you can't call a cut on NCAA 2009.
Anyway, to the rest of you. Truly great game. Your penetration on D is what it takes to stop an option. You did it consistently well all game. Some whuppin's just hurt, and some you can grow from. This is one we can grow from. All those FR and SO's we had on the field last night will be better for the experience, no matter how much it PISSED ME OFF.
:cheers:
Can you comprehend this?
It's a completely different issue from whether it is right or sportsmanlike or not. I don't think it's good sportsmanship, but I can't control what someone else does. It's football, not ballet. If the opposing coach is trying to score tossing 60 yard bombs late in the 4th up 35 points, its up to me to make him rethink in whatever way I can control. Punishing the QB is the only thing I can do, and if it's all I've got, then I'll use it to the max.
Sorry if you cannot grap that fact.
And BTW, you need to study up on football rules. Cut blocks are perfectly legal and used at every level by every team. Even saw LSU use a few cuts last night. Cut blocking is what our OL is taught. Occasionally 2 OL get on the same guy and it can result in a chop. Chop blocks are not legal. Completely different technique.
But how would you know, you can't call a cut on NCAA 2009.
Anyway, to the rest of you. Truly great game. Your penetration on D is what it takes to stop an option. You did it consistently well all game. Some whuppin's just hurt, and some you can grow from. This is one we can grow from. All those FR and SO's we had on the field last night will be better for the experience, no matter how much it PISSED ME OFF.
:cheers:
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So a perfectly legal football play would result in illegal activity by a team coached by you...
If they could have caught him to hit him in the first place you wouldnt be down by 35.
You completely missed the point of the post. Not surprising.
If you touch a QB rough these days, you get a penalty. Sportsmanship says to play within the rules, but since sportsmanship is not an issue, the heck with the rule. I don't care what Miles did. The game was on and it's up to us to stop the fake. It's also up to us to make him take the guy out if we don't think he should be in there. You can only control what you can control... comprehend?
To restate for you, I'd tell the guys to push the edge of the envelope, hit the QB every play, and don't worry about the penalty if it comes. Nothing dirty, just make sure he's on his butt every time you can get him there.
Oh and BTW, your O was not particularly dominant last night, it was your D. They were the best I've seen in a long time. We gave you 2 scores of less than 25 yards on our pure stupidity, and another on 2 big penalties. 24 points is not a dominant performance, nor is 3 points in the second half when we all know you were busting your butts to score. Jefferson did well, though.
Now your D was on a completely different level.
When you get beat by 35 points, it makes more sense to look inward than at the meany who just whupped you. Many Tech fans don't understand this. The player across the LOS is trying to demolish you every play. Why would I expect him to let up? The same goes for the opposing coach.
As for our fake punt, it was an play that we should have audibled out of as we didn't have the right personnel on the field for it. That's why the ball went to a DE. Beside that, it was the wrong place to even call it. 21-3 was not insurmountable, and we were beginning to slow LSU's O by that time. The play should never have even beenn on the table to begin with.
As for our fake punt, it was an play that we should have audibled out of as we didn't have the right personnel on the field for it. That's why the ball went to a DE. Beside that, it was the wrong place to even call it. 21-3 was not insurmountable, and we were beginning to slow LSU's O by that time. The play should never have even beenn on the table to begin with.
I vote 2.
Actually, it pissed me off, but I am of the opinion that, classy or not, we are on the field to play the game to the last whistle. Class is good, but you can neither legislate it, nor whine about it if it's absent. You just play the game. You fight fire with fire.
Were I Johnson, I would have instructed my DE's to hit Jefferson every single play, penalty or not. Not intentionally dirty or deliberately injuring him, just hit him hard every play he's in.
I guarantee you Miles would have taken him out. To me, pulling starters is more of an effort to keep them from getting injured in meaningless time, and to get your 2-deep PT.
The fake punt was classless, but didn't hurt my feelings at all. We're big boys in a big boy game. However, I can be just as classless as the next guy when it's time. Last night was time, IMO.
Actually, it pissed me off, but I am of the opinion that, classy or not, we are on the field to play the game to the last whistle. Class is good, but you can neither legislate it, nor whine about it if it's absent. You just play the game. You fight fire with fire.
Were I Johnson, I would have instructed my DE's to hit Jefferson every single play, penalty or not. Not intentionally dirty or deliberately injuring him, just hit him hard every play he's in.
I guarantee you Miles would have taken him out. To me, pulling starters is more of an effort to keep them from getting injured in meaningless time, and to get your 2-deep PT.
The fake punt was classless, but didn't hurt my feelings at all. We're big boys in a big boy game. However, I can be just as classless as the next guy when it's time. Last night was time, IMO.
Great, great game, LSU!
Posted by stinger78 on 1/1/09 at 6:02 pm
Came over last night, but the board was locked. That was the best defensive front 7 I have ever seen 9and I've seen a lot)! Your Tigers just took control from the first drive, made us pay dearly for our stupid plays, and the game was out of reach by halftime. Took us completely out of our game.
I'd say LSU did some serious soul seaching the last month and decided to play like the champs they are. Wow.
The only silver lining for us is that now we have more urgency to get the passing game in gear for next fall.
My wish was for the best team to win, and they did. Congrats.
I'd say LSU did some serious soul seaching the last month and decided to play like the champs they are. Wow.
The only silver lining for us is that now we have more urgency to get the passing game in gear for next fall.
My wish was for the best team to win, and they did. Congrats.
Good luck, Tigers
Posted by stinger78 on 12/31/08 at 9:58 am
I'm outa here to get down to the Dome. I wish you all the best, a good new year, and a good game. However, may the best team win. :cheers:
It's been great talking with you the past coupla weeks, but now it's time to get it done on the field.
GO JACKETS!!!
It's been great talking with you the past coupla weeks, but now it's time to get it done on the field.
GO JACKETS!!!
re: Mark May just called GTech a "spread" offense
Posted by stinger78 on 12/31/08 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
It's a spread formation because of the OL splits and the 4 receivers outside the OT. Yes, the slots are tighter than Leach and Meyer have them, but they are there nonetheless. The QB is also under center. The reason the slots are tighter and the QB under center is because PJ's preference is a run-first option playbook. We actually run the triple option as a play only about 20% of the time or less.
Someone earlier ridiculed the fact that we have 4 receivers in this formation. Yes, it is true that we don't throw often as PJ prefers the run first. However, we do throw out of the formation to the slotbacks (A-backs in PJ's terminology), and that is attested by the fact that over 25% of the receptions this year were to those slots. Also, after WR Thomas, who had over 50% of all receptions this fall, the next 3 top receivers were all backs, with Dwyer, the TB (B-back in PJ's terminology) in that bunch, too.
PJ has said on numerous occasions that he wants to throw more, but didn't have the time this fall to work on that portion of his playbook. He had his hands full trying to teach the option to a team that was very unfamiliar with it. This is what he referenced also with regard to the bowl preparation. His offense is the original run and shoot formation from back in the mid-80's/early 90's. Check out Tracy Hamm's and Hawaii's stats from that time frame where PJ was OC.
I suspect we'll pass more this game that all other games except the Dook game. I look for 15-20 pass attempts depending upon how well your front 7 manages to stop the option.
Finally, someone also mentioned that we have a non-throwing QB. Josh Nesbitt passed for over 5000 yards in his HS career. He can throw, and has a canon for an arm. Accuracy has been a bit of an issue, but bear in mind that he was a drop-back passer in HS and has had to throw off the sprint most of the time in PJ's spread option offense.
Someone earlier ridiculed the fact that we have 4 receivers in this formation. Yes, it is true that we don't throw often as PJ prefers the run first. However, we do throw out of the formation to the slotbacks (A-backs in PJ's terminology), and that is attested by the fact that over 25% of the receptions this year were to those slots. Also, after WR Thomas, who had over 50% of all receptions this fall, the next 3 top receivers were all backs, with Dwyer, the TB (B-back in PJ's terminology) in that bunch, too.
PJ has said on numerous occasions that he wants to throw more, but didn't have the time this fall to work on that portion of his playbook. He had his hands full trying to teach the option to a team that was very unfamiliar with it. This is what he referenced also with regard to the bowl preparation. His offense is the original run and shoot formation from back in the mid-80's/early 90's. Check out Tracy Hamm's and Hawaii's stats from that time frame where PJ was OC.
I suspect we'll pass more this game that all other games except the Dook game. I look for 15-20 pass attempts depending upon how well your front 7 manages to stop the option.
Finally, someone also mentioned that we have a non-throwing QB. Josh Nesbitt passed for over 5000 yards in his HS career. He can throw, and has a canon for an arm. Accuracy has been a bit of an issue, but bear in mind that he was a drop-back passer in HS and has had to throw off the sprint most of the time in PJ's spread option offense.
Merry Christmas, Tigers!
Posted by stinger78 on 12/24/08 at 3:14 pm
May our Lord bless you, and give you a prosperous year ahead.
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GT had a louisiana boy in the 2000 game that the commentators were gushing all over...I guess this really is the deja vu bowl
Was that QB Jermaine Crenshaw? Hmm. I'll have to go back and look.
We actually get a lot of players from over there. LaRon Landry's brother Dawan was a SS for us about 3 years ago - now plays for the Ravens. Eric Henderson was an incredible DE for us at the same time. Last I heard he was playing LB for the Bengals. Ace Azjenavi was a backup FB also on that team. One of the most notable was Greg Gathers, a DE who has the record for sacks after only 3 years back in the early 2000's. His career ended prematurely after a bad kidney disorder was discovered.
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Borrow my arse, once you cross the track...don't come back.
Well... getting in a typically nasty frame of mind for the game, I see. :usa:
Article of interest on a GT player from the 'nawlins area
Posted by stinger78 on 12/23/08 at 2:12 pm
LINK
Louisiana's own Darryl Richard is an awesome representative for GT. One of our most recognizable and beloved players, he is an incredibly gifted young man, and has made his place here. Not mentioned is his place on the search committee for GA Tech's new President. A very high honor for a student-athlete. Thanks for letting us "borrow" him for a few years!
Well done, Darryl! :cheers:
Louisiana's own Darryl Richard is an awesome representative for GT. One of our most recognizable and beloved players, he is an incredibly gifted young man, and has made his place here. Not mentioned is his place on the search committee for GA Tech's new President. A very high honor for a student-athlete. Thanks for letting us "borrow" him for a few years!
Well done, Darryl! :cheers:
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I can't imagine a worse match up than G Tech's offense versus our defense.
It is a nightmare scenario.
Our defense gets confused and blows assignments against standard, run of the mill offenses.
That's right. You need to give up now. Just go ahead and have Les mail it in and we'll just have a nice little scrimmage in the Chicken Bowl. After all, our starting backfield is averaging the following:
B-back (FB) Jonathan Dwyer - 7.0 ypc
A-back (WB) Roddy Jones - 9.1 ypc
A-back (WB) Lucas Cox - 8.2 ypc
QB Josh Nesbitt - 4.0 ypc
Resistance is futile.
re: Tigers Run Out of the Dome?
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 5:22 pm to Tiger in NY
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Pretty sad when a coach who has run the option for 20+ years figures playing LSU is a good opportunity to work in some Run-n-shoot elements.
Johnson ran the run & shoot along with his option as OC at both GA Southern and Hawaii prior to moving to Navy. He has stated over and over that he wants to throw the ball more, he just didn't have the hosses at Navy and he didn't need to at GA Southern. He is not doing this for LSU, he has stated on numerous occasions that this spring will see the R&S package of his offense installed.
re: Chances that Georgia Tech..
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 5:18 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
There is a very high chance of this. We have passed for a 60% completion rate in the first quarter this year.
re: Navy-Wake Forest game
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 5:12 pm to NOSTRODAMUS
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navy has no D? They had two straight shutouts coming into this game. The gave up 30 points only once and over 20 only 5 times(once in OT).
Correct. Navy has no D. They have improved over the last couple of years, but really don't play great D. They are ranked 50-something in the nation. Shutout? Eh, we shut out Dook, big deal. No wait... Dook spanked Vandy.
Looking over their season now, Navy has gotten better on D, but still not great.
re: GA T only needs to add 1 more play to their repetoire....
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 1:44 pm to Meauxjeaux
We do that. Dwyer went 70+ yards for 6 on it this year.
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well the difference is that those teams only had a week to prepare for the triple option. its tough to prepare for something you only see once a year because you have no clue to what is effective against it and you have to start from scratch in the gameplan.
This is a true statement (except for UGAg, who had 2 weeks). Therein is the biggest difference. I expect a tight game. Should be fun.
re: triple option, shepard
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 1:22 pm to DEANintheYAY
Yes, the original statement was about talent, you are correct. However, there is another question (that you all are wringing your hands over) that is if all your talent will play as a unit. We will see on 12/31.
As for your reference to the ACC, yes it is for sure true we have sucked in BCS games, but if you check a little deeper, you'll see that we have done quite well in BCS conference OOC games - especially the Special Ed Conference this year. :bow:
Besides VA Tech beating Pelini's Nebraska, against the SEC we demolished MSU, that Wake D you just saw shut down Ole Miss, Clemson spanked USC(e), we beat UGAg, Wake and Dook both beat a bowl-bound Vandy team.
As for your reference to the ACC, yes it is for sure true we have sucked in BCS games, but if you check a little deeper, you'll see that we have done quite well in BCS conference OOC games - especially the Special Ed Conference this year. :bow:
Besides VA Tech beating Pelini's Nebraska, against the SEC we demolished MSU, that Wake D you just saw shut down Ole Miss, Clemson spanked USC(e), we beat UGAg, Wake and Dook both beat a bowl-bound Vandy team.
re: Navy-Wake Forest game
Posted by stinger78 on 12/20/08 at 1:11 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
Wake's a whole lot better - especially on D - than a lot of folks give them credit for. They lost a lot on O from last year, and they have never been a powerful offensive team, just consistent and steady like maybe a Vandy or USC(e). And Jim Grobe is an excellent coach. Navy has no D, and that is another BIG difference between them and GA Tech.
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better players yes to everyone exept maybe georgia
Now I haven't seen LSU but on a couple of occasions this year and the D just didn't look good to me. On defense, I'm sure they're better than they looked, however, since they are the defending MNC. That ARK game was sad, however.
Based just on what I saw, I'd rate Boston College, VA Tech, F$U, Miami and UGAg as better D's than LSU. Maybe not better talent all through the 2-deep, but better D's.
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for all of those who say gt has better players then navy.... that would not matter if lsu has the athletes on defense to match the playmakers on the gt offense. if the athletes are comparable, it comes down to gamplan and heart.
This statement is true, however, does LSU have better players on D than Boston College (9/6-162), VA Tech (9/13-278), Mississippi State (9/20-438), Clemson (10/18-207), F$U (11/1-288), Miami (11/20-472) and UGAg (11/29-409)? The numbers in parentheses are the date and rushing numbers we put up on those teams. Notice how, with the exception of the SEC team, we generally improved as the season went along against the better and better D's.
Oh, and WFU has a pretty darn good D.
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