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re: DeSantis does it again
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/30/26 at 10:30 pm to roadGator
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But why?
Dead center of the state. Can’t understand the draw.
This mentality is always interesting to me. I mean it's not like everyone in Florida can live right on A1A or the Gulf.
I live in the Orlando area as well. Now I have a slight advantage being on the east side, but I can be in Cocoa Beach / Cape Canaveral in 45 minutes. An hour at most if there's some significant traffic.
You live in Tampa or one of the eastern suburbs of Tampa, and it's going to take you 45 minutes to get to the beach. You live a few miles inland in South Florida and take traffic at the wrong time and it's going to take you 45 minutes to get to the beach. A 45 minute drive is not a huge deal.
Now yes, the heat in the summer stinks, no debate there. But we're not California or Oregon where the coast can be 20 - 25 degrees cooler than a few miles inland. The Gulf Coast is usually just as hot as Central Florida, sometimes hotter. While the East Coast beaches are cooler due to wind and sea breeze, you're talking 5 degrees, 10 degrees at most. Not a huge difference.
And the nice thing where I live. I don't ever have to evacuate for a Hurricane. My homeowner's insurance is probably half of what it would be for a property on the coast. I am not on the coast or by any rivers or creeks, so I don't have to carry flood insurance or ever have to worry about flooding or storm surge. So more money for fun and trips.
Also, since most of Orlando has been built in the last 20 - 30 years, most power lines are underground, including mine. Now given, I also have the advantage of being close to a hospital, but the eye of Hurricane Irma went right over our area in 2017. And we were also hit by Hurricane Ian in 2022 and Hurricane Milton in 2024. In all three of those stores, my power barely even flickered. Many areas of the coast are older areas and still have above ground lines, meaning a far better chance of extended power outages during and after a Hurricane.
I feel like I get most of the advantages of being on the coast without the downsides. Don't get me wrong, I have no love for Orlando itself. Downtown Orlando has become an absolutely terrible area and traffic in so many areas of Orlando is awful.
My job is here so it would be hard to leave. If I ever can work remotely or when I retire, I would like to live more in North Florida to be closer to other parts of the south and the mountains.
When I don't have to be in Orlando, I will probably stay in Florida but look at Flagler Beach/Palm Coast/St. Augustine area. Maybe areas just south of Jacksonville (though like Orlando, I don't like Jacksonville proper). But there are reasons people are in Orlando and it's really not as terrible as you make it out to be.
re: Birthright Decision Coming Out Today
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/29/26 at 7:17 am to PJinAtl
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My question...if it were to go in our favor, would it only be enforceable going forward? Would all of the existing anchor babies still be citizens or could some of them be stripped?
Even if birthright citizenship is ended, everything about the request (even the EO) has been moving forward. There is no retroactive component to the EO.
I mean I want birthright citizenship to end, but even I can understand how bad a retroactive component would go. How far back do you go? Do you make everyone in the U.S. prove their citizenship again? I mean I think most of us here, who have ancestors who came from Europe, probably have at least one person who was either here illegally or didn't have any papers. It would be a nightmare as very few could prove beyond any doubt that themselves and every single ancestor before them was here legally.
So I would say change your mentality immediately. Even in the small chance they do overturn birthright citizenship, it'll be going forward only. So yes any existing anchor babies will be grandfathered in.
re: What's the worst state out of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/29/26 at 7:12 am to WaydownSouth
I'm going to cop out a little bit here and say the worse "area" is both Louisiana and Mississippi above I-10.
The best part of Louisiana is on or below I-10/I-12 in New Orleans, Northshore, Lafayette and Cajun Country as a whole. Once you get above I-10 in Louisiana, the food isn't nearly as good and you really go into more generic southern culture.
Same with Mississippi, on or below I-10 on the Mississippi Gulf Coast is an underrated gem (that sadly is getting more discovered). Bay St. Louis, Long Beach, Pass Christian, Diamondhead, Ocean Springs are all places I could easily live. But Mississippi above I-10, the only nice places cities really are the college towns (Oxford and Hattiesburg) and some of the Memphis suburbs (Olive Branch and parts of Southaven). But in general, there's not much appealing to either Louisiana or Mississippi above I-10/I-12.
This is low key something that also keeps me away from Louisiana. Louisiana geographically is just so isolated. Southeastern part of Louisiana, your only weekend trip is basically to the Alabama beaches or some of the western Florida beaches. Southwestern part of Louisiana, your only weekend trip is Houston. Northern part of Louisiana, I guess you could say Dallas, Memphis and maybe the Ozarks/Branson. But still, it's just so isolated.
The best part of Louisiana is on or below I-10/I-12 in New Orleans, Northshore, Lafayette and Cajun Country as a whole. Once you get above I-10 in Louisiana, the food isn't nearly as good and you really go into more generic southern culture.
Same with Mississippi, on or below I-10 on the Mississippi Gulf Coast is an underrated gem (that sadly is getting more discovered). Bay St. Louis, Long Beach, Pass Christian, Diamondhead, Ocean Springs are all places I could easily live. But Mississippi above I-10, the only nice places cities really are the college towns (Oxford and Hattiesburg) and some of the Memphis suburbs (Olive Branch and parts of Southaven). But in general, there's not much appealing to either Louisiana or Mississippi above I-10/I-12.
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I lived in both states and Mississippi has slightly better roads, a slightly cheaper COL, and you are closer to more fun things that are an easy weekend drive away. Louisiana your option is basically Houston
This is low key something that also keeps me away from Louisiana. Louisiana geographically is just so isolated. Southeastern part of Louisiana, your only weekend trip is basically to the Alabama beaches or some of the western Florida beaches. Southwestern part of Louisiana, your only weekend trip is Houston. Northern part of Louisiana, I guess you could say Dallas, Memphis and maybe the Ozarks/Branson. But still, it's just so isolated.
re: What's the worst state out of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/29/26 at 6:55 am to faraway
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Alabama is no where near as bad as the other two. Alabama is underrated if anything.
I agree Alabama is above Mississippi and Louisiana mostly due to the far north area of the state with Huntsville and the mountains and the far south area of the state with Gulf Shores and the beaches.
But the middle 70% of Alabama is nothing to write home about. Montgomery and Baton Rouge are very similar, both being just above the black hole that is Jackson. And New Orleans is better than Birmingham. The only advantage to Birmingham is being closer to some mountains.
re: 30% of Haitian TPSers had mortgages???
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/27/26 at 12:59 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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For the most part first-generation Haitians work hard. Saw a documentary about Springfield, Ohio, and the factory boss said they work hard and don't fail pee tests.
It will be their children who are complete turds, which is how immigration usually works.
While I'm not saying this is fully false, this just isn't my experience. I live in Florida where there is a significant Haitian population and at one time worked for a Company that employed a fair amount of Haitians in lower positions like custodial and cleaning positions.
Most Haitians will do the least amount of work they can get away with. It's a lazy culture and I saw it personally. You couldn't leave them alone for a long period of time because then their jobs wouldn't get done.
Most Haitians will live in Haitian enclaves, will not assimilate and will be proud of not assimilating. I interacted with some Haitians who had been here 15 years and couldn't speak a word of English outside of "translator". They can also be very rude.
Many of them are simply trashy people. The areas they took over, became trashy very quickly.
And they price actually Americans out of homes and apartments. They will pack in a 4 bedroom home with at least 8 people, 2 for each room. I've heard it can be more. So each individual is only paying a little in rent and those people can easily outbid someone who is a single income or even dual income with their spouse.
Haitians also were terrible for the economy. For most Haitians, when they get their paychecks, they keep just enough to pay for housing and food. They typically don't have individual cars and will cram 6 people in a car to get to the same job. The remainder of their paychecks were all sent back to Haiti. That is money that's never returning to the U.S.
In general they are nasty people and they are lazy people. I'm not saying they are all terrible, but the majority are. It really does make sense to me why Haiti is in the condition it's in. It's not just a failed government, it's a failed culture.
But the Earthquake is long over, they should've gone back at least 10 years ago. They have abused the system. But better late than never. They won't be missed.
re: Curiously, I looked ahead to potential US World Cup matches. July 6th could be a doozy.
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 10:40 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
I don't even want to see Iran make it out of the group stage.
A U.S. / Iran matchup would not be good. All the pressure would be on the U.S. and that's when an inferior team can pull off the upset.
I also would genuinely worry about security at the game. I could easily see a significant amount of fights between U.S. and Iran fans. And I would be very concerned about something happening before or after the game outside of the stadium. I wouldn't be anywhere near that match. Especially if it's in Los Angeles where there's a sizable Iranian population, it would just be trouble waiting to happen.
I'm not going to put it up there with England vs Argentina in 1986 but it would definitely be tense, on and off the pitch.
A U.S. / Iran matchup would not be good. All the pressure would be on the U.S. and that's when an inferior team can pull off the upset.
I also would genuinely worry about security at the game. I could easily see a significant amount of fights between U.S. and Iran fans. And I would be very concerned about something happening before or after the game outside of the stadium. I wouldn't be anywhere near that match. Especially if it's in Los Angeles where there's a sizable Iranian population, it would just be trouble waiting to happen.
I'm not going to put it up there with England vs Argentina in 1986 but it would definitely be tense, on and off the pitch.
re: Can we stop doing this to houses?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 12:20 pm to stout
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All of the houses that did that will be dated in less than 5 years.
Also, all of the ones who sealed their brick with oil-based paint to achieve that look will have brick failure within 10 years and mold issues. Look it up.
I was about to say the same thing. These houses within 10 years will be absolutely dated and then they'll have to do major renovations to sell or sell at a lower than normal price.
I don't understand why people think the "hospital" look is appealing at all. You see the same thing in hotels. The rooms are cold and uninviting. I want my home to actually feel homey.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 12:18 pm to Dadren
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If we’re ignoring the absurdity of this scenario and the very obvious way to not end up in this situation, I’d think that if you cease the sex act and begin the process of ending it, you haven’t committed rape.
And unless you’re disabled or weigh 600 lbs, that’s probably something that could be done faster than 5 seconds.
I mean yes it's an absurd scenario, but that's the point. That I could actually see a woman trying to claim rape in this type of scenario.
I mean yes, it wouldn't take more than a second to cease the sex act but then you still have to get off her and get out of the bed. Especially if it's a big bed, stopping the sex act, getting off her and getting out of the bed could easily take 4 - 5 seconds.
In our current justice system I could see the woman claiming this was rape. Obviously it's absurd and should be thrown out of any court room, but the fact none of us could say with 100% certainty it would be thrown out alone shows how bad it's gotten.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 11:53 am to Underteaux
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This might be the saddest thread I’ve ever read on here.
I'm still waiting on what law I supposedly "broke" that could justify cops flagging my IP and tracking me down. Come on, you can elaborate. :lol:
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 11:49 am to TigerFanatic99
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Consent can be revoked at any time, up until the end of the act.
You can't revoke concent for something in the past. That is called "regret", and regret is not something someone else can be held accountable for.
But again, say she revokes consent right in the middle of sex and it take 3 - 5 seconds for you to get out of her and away from her. Did you not commit rape for those 3 - 5 seconds?
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 11:03 am to Jenious
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Reminds me of something that happened during my Army days. Had two guys I worked with, one had a girlfriend and the other was single. The guy and his girlfriend had a threesome with a girl and then eventually she wanted one with a guy and he actually agreed. He picked the other guy we worked with.
Went over to his barracks after work, had a few beers and single guy starts kissing the girl. She's into it. Starts touching her chest, all good. Sticks his hand down her pants and she tells him to stop so he does. She runs out the room crying, calling the MPs saying she was raped.
The boyfriend was on the single guy's side and was clueless on why she even ran out the room .
Single guy got a BCD and confinement for a few months. She tried talking to me at a club afterwards. Nope, ain't happening
This is what I'm talking about here. Nothing the guy in your scenario did was rape in any way. Yet all the woman has to do is scream rape and the guy is finished. I'm guessing the guy either eventually was discharged, or in the very least, his career in the military was significantly diminished.
And that's the problem now. Any woman claims rape and it's guilty until proven innocent. And even if proven innocent, you'll have the type who will simply say "well the patriarchy let's another man get away with rape" or "I'm sure he still did something". It's an incredible power women have, knowing they can ruin a man in a second. A sexual assault/rape charge is something you never get clear of. Good for you for not taking the woman's bait. I'm sure she would've loved to have done a rape charge against you and gotten money or something out of it.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 11:00 am to Dadren
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The answer is not to “eliminate hookup culture”. The answer is for you personally to opt out of it and encourage everyone you care about to do the same, because it’s a shite show and there’s no way to make it not a shite show.
Oh no for me I've already opted out of hookup culture. I honestly was never that much into hookup culture, but I've definitely opted out now. And what's happening to my friend is a good reinforcement into why I'm done with hookup culture.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 10:58 am to wallowinit
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It already is with me. it scares the shite out of me and I don’t know what to do about it.
I don’t see it getting resolved either because it is a Legal power women have over men.
The lawyers will never let go of that one. It is quite lucrative to them.
It is with me as well. I've had several not so great breakups and at this point in my life I'm just over it. After what's happening to my friend, I'm not sure I care if I ever have sex again.
I want a relationship. I want to have a wife. But it sure doesn't seem like it's worth the risk anymore.
Part of me debates if I'll just starting pay for sex whenever I really find that I need it. At least it's an honest transaction.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 10:54 am to Underteaux
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Hope the cops are flagging your IP tbh
Flagging my IP for what? Asking a genuine question? Heck I haven't even had sex in almost 3 years. And honestly, with what dating has become, my peace if too nice to give up. But please tell me, what law am I breaking?
My friend is an idiot for being in his late 30s and still doing casual sex as far as I'm concerned. But I still think he's being railroaded here.
But yes cops, come to my house and tell me the horrible things I've done for posting this topic. :lol:
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 10:17 am to Evil Little Thing
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I don’t think an app would work. Someone could always claim they agreed under duress.
Clearly the answer is to carry a breathalyzer and wear a body cam 24/7 to prove enthusiastic consent.
Really, I have no answer. Women who claim sexual assault because they regret agreeing after the fact take away legitimacy from people who were actually assaulted.
That's my thought as well. The first argument is that someone will claim (probably the woman) that they were under duress to "consent". That's why any app would have to have some type of security procedure, but I don't know what that is.
But that's why I brought this up. Outside of eliminating hook-up culture, and even sex before marriage, this type of issue is going to keep coming up and I really don't have an answer either. And of course you eliminate those two things, you eliminate a lot of eventual relationships and cause even more population collapse long term. I don't think any of us truly have a solution though and that's a big problem.
Ironically, I thought the same thing you did. Which is somehow to have a breathalyzer at your house that you and the other person could use to show you aren't drunk. And the results would then have to be sent to the emails of both people for proof.
I also sadly see body cameras becoming almost mandatory. With our litigious society in general, and more general conflicts increasing, a body camera might be your best protection. I don't like it, but look at cars. More and more people are getting dash cameras for cars in case of an accident. I could easily see dash cameras becoming required, at least for new vehicles. It's not a big stretch to go from dash cameras to have body cameras as well 24/7.
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 9:46 am to el Gaucho
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I feel like this is a bot post but one time in a thread like this ten years ago or more I got a warning message for posting about a “paper bag test” for whether these cases are real or not
In light of guys like Harvey Weinstein and what’s going on in England I think a religion test should be added too
I understand, but I can assure you it's a real thing happening. This is not some bot post or some hypothetical. I just think it's something where, the rules were thrown out during #MeToo but there were never any new rules genuinely established.
If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by a religious test?
re: What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 9:43 am to Cotten
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Ignoring the majority of your insane post, WTF is this suggestion? Just what we need, more bullshite “innovation” that actually doesn’t do a damn thing.
No more apps please. Honestly, for anything.
I mean I agree, I don't want more apps either. But then how do people (both men and women) protect themselves? Are we going to get to the point where any sex has to be recorded in case it's needed in future litigation? Is there where we're going to as a society? That's far more of a pain than an app.
What does "Consent" look like going forward in the U.S.?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 9:33 am
Fair warning, not an easy topic to discuss but one where I thought there could be some good discussion. A good friend of mine had a one night stand probably about 2 months ago. He said it was a good evening and she was into having sex with him so they did it. Sure enough, now she's saying she was drunk that night and that he sexually assaulted her. Sounds like she's just trying to get money. He's already lawyered up, but suffice to say he's terrified and losing his mind right now.
We all know the #MeToo movement had dramatic changes to dating and relationships. One of the primary areas that was addressed during #MeToo was the idea of "consent".
While it may have been a needed discussion, I never felt like what counted as "consent" was ever truly fleshed out. As a man, it's like changing the rules of the game at halftime but not telling either side what the new rules are. One of the big changes is especially the way that women have said "consent can be removed at any time". I don't disagree with that, I think both sides have the right to revoke consent at any time, but it creates some problems.
Now before people here start yelling "consent should be easy to spot", I would argue it actually isn't easy at all. Here are some scenarios:
- (My friend's scenario): Man and Woman want to hook up but both are drunk. By legal standards, neither can actually "consent" right? So if they have sex, did they both sexually assault each other? How would that even work legally?
- Man and Woman hook up. Halfway through sex the woman doesn't feel it anymore and revokes consent. It takes the man 3 - 4 seconds to get his "equipment" outside of her and get off of her. Did that man officially sexually assault her for those 3 - 4 seconds?
- Man and Woman hook up but woman regrets it the next day when she sees the man she had sex with isn't nearly as attractive as his was hanging out with her under dim lights. She decides it's a man should would have never had sex with normally. Could the woman consider that man to have sexually assaulted her?
These are just a few examples of how "consent" isn't as black and white as most people, especially women, think it is. So how do we, as a society, have a genuine discussion on what is and isn't consent?
I know there aren't many, but there are a few women on here. For those women in particular, I would love to hear what your thoughts are on the scenarios above and if you consider them sexual assault or not.
And how do we make consent better in the future? Are we going to get to the point where there needs to be documentation of the consent? I know after #MeToo there were some ideas of creating apps to allow consent, but it didn't really get anywhere. Plus I'm sure they wouldn't have been admissible in court.
Is it time that we revisit creating apps to consent to sex? And that consent should have to be renewed, say, every 30 minutes? And that, with certain security procedures in place, those apps would be able to be admissible in court?
Is this going to be another factor that causes men to just "check out" and go to the AI girlfriend route instead of having dates and relationships with actual women?
What does consent look like to you? What steps should both men and women take to protect themselves and ensure the other party is consenting? Do we need legal documentation to protect both sides?
We all know the #MeToo movement had dramatic changes to dating and relationships. One of the primary areas that was addressed during #MeToo was the idea of "consent".
While it may have been a needed discussion, I never felt like what counted as "consent" was ever truly fleshed out. As a man, it's like changing the rules of the game at halftime but not telling either side what the new rules are. One of the big changes is especially the way that women have said "consent can be removed at any time". I don't disagree with that, I think both sides have the right to revoke consent at any time, but it creates some problems.
Now before people here start yelling "consent should be easy to spot", I would argue it actually isn't easy at all. Here are some scenarios:
- (My friend's scenario): Man and Woman want to hook up but both are drunk. By legal standards, neither can actually "consent" right? So if they have sex, did they both sexually assault each other? How would that even work legally?
- Man and Woman hook up. Halfway through sex the woman doesn't feel it anymore and revokes consent. It takes the man 3 - 4 seconds to get his "equipment" outside of her and get off of her. Did that man officially sexually assault her for those 3 - 4 seconds?
- Man and Woman hook up but woman regrets it the next day when she sees the man she had sex with isn't nearly as attractive as his was hanging out with her under dim lights. She decides it's a man should would have never had sex with normally. Could the woman consider that man to have sexually assaulted her?
These are just a few examples of how "consent" isn't as black and white as most people, especially women, think it is. So how do we, as a society, have a genuine discussion on what is and isn't consent?
I know there aren't many, but there are a few women on here. For those women in particular, I would love to hear what your thoughts are on the scenarios above and if you consider them sexual assault or not.
And how do we make consent better in the future? Are we going to get to the point where there needs to be documentation of the consent? I know after #MeToo there were some ideas of creating apps to allow consent, but it didn't really get anywhere. Plus I'm sure they wouldn't have been admissible in court.
Is it time that we revisit creating apps to consent to sex? And that consent should have to be renewed, say, every 30 minutes? And that, with certain security procedures in place, those apps would be able to be admissible in court?
Is this going to be another factor that causes men to just "check out" and go to the AI girlfriend route instead of having dates and relationships with actual women?
What does consent look like to you? What steps should both men and women take to protect themselves and ensure the other party is consenting? Do we need legal documentation to protect both sides?
re: What's the scariest natural disaster footage you've ever seen?
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/21/26 at 9:24 am to OldSouth
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2004 tsunami footage
I really don't think I could live a tsunami zone. Those are the things that scare me the most in terms of natural disasters.
Tornadoes are devastating but a lot of times the path of destruction is very limited. It's just hard as they are random. One side of a street could be devastated and the other side of a street could be largely untouched.
Hurricanes are devastating, but you have plenty of time to evacuate.
Flooding is bad but again in most cases you have time to evacuate.
Earthquakes scare me but I can handle them. But tsunami's are just a different animal altogether. There's no preparing for them. When they happen you have maybe 15 minutes notice and unless you are in the mountainous terrain where you can get to high ground or in a large city with large skyscrapers, there's not way to get above it. A tsunami, if it hits you, there's just not much you can do and you can easily go from living life to being dead very quickly.
re: Avg monthly new car note $773. $44K financed
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/19/26 at 11:08 am to PeteRose
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I have a 2012 toyota. I’ll drive it to the wheels fall off. Then I’ll put the wheels back on and drive it some more.
This is about where I'm at with my 2011 Accord that's paid off. It's a 2 door and I would love to upgrade to a Civic Sport 4 door Sedan or a Civic Sport 4 door Hatchback for additional room. I'm not even talking about new either, I prefer the previous generation from about 5 - 7 years ago.
But with these prices, forget it. I have 271,000 miles on my Accord. If I do longer road trips now I typically get a rental car. Heck, on my last trip to New Orleans, I did two one way rentals that way I kept the miles off my car (I made stops in Pensacola for the beach for a few hours, Biloxi for one night to go to the casinos and Diamondhead for one night to visit family friends). Plus by doing two one way rentals I didn't have to worry about parking rates in New Orleans, or worse, getting the car jacked up or stolen. But I do this to keep miles off my car.
I'm at the point now, I might even consider rebuilding the engine or transmission if it comes to that before paying current new car or used car prices and rates.
re: If you don't prefer cold weather, coastal SC has the best weather in the country
Posted by TheMagicMan on 6/14/26 at 11:37 pm to SallysHuman
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I had family that *had* to live there for about 6mo... it was everything you'd expect and more. They were happy when it was time to shag arse back to the upstate.
It was an enriching experience.
Charleston I think wants to look at itself as a civilized protestant version of New Orleans. And yes there are similarities. But Charleston, while architecturally beautiful, has none of the friendliness you see in New Orleans.
For all its warts, the music, food, festivals and general friendliness in New Orleans blows Charleston away. New Orleans is more open and welcoming (outside of the high society Uptown types of course), while Charleston came off to me as very judgmental and closed off. Charleston seems like a place that, if you aren't born there, would be a very hard city to live in.
I always say this. Savannah has the party atmosphere, architectural beauty and natural beauty but can not hold up in terms of food or music. Charleston has the architectural beauty, natural beauty and food, but can not hold up in terms of the party atmosphere or music.
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