TheMagicMan

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Not hardly. The north did not put nearly the resources into it that the south did and still kicked that a___.

The CW was kind of like a 2010s football game between Vandy and Bama, Vandy may keep it close through the first half, but eventual the depth and talent of Bama shows up and turns it into a 55-10 blowout.

My family has been in MS since the early 1800s, so most of my ancestors fought for the south, but that doesn't mean they were right or even understood what they were fighting far. Although as deep southern roots as anyone on this board, I can still be objective and use common sense.

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The Confederacy lost the Civil War the day Stonewall Jackson died. With Stonewall Jackson, Gettysburg could have easily been a very different battle. The Confederacy probably still loses the Civil War even with Stonewall Jackson, but I think the Civil War gets extended for several years just because of him if he lives.

The problem with the whole Civil War debate is everyone looks at it through a 21st century perspective. Everyone Monday morning quarterbacks. In 2026, most states have little to no unique culture. States are far more administrative zones than they are sovereign governments anymore.

Back in 1861, states truly were like countries. And I don't think most can truly comprehend it, especially younger Millennials and Gen Z, but back then loyalty was to your state, not to the U.S. Even in the Union Army, soldiers fought for their states more than the U.S. as a whole. On that note, most Confederate soldiers could have cared less about slavery. Many probably even personally disagreed with it. But they were fighting for their states and for their families more than anything else. Many Confederate soldiers weren't in much better shape than slaves. Yes they had freedom, and I don't discount that, but most were dirt poor just like slaves.

If you really think about, the U.S. actually was meant to be the first EU. States are truly countries, with a small federal government that really only worried about a combined national defense, a universal currency, easy interstate commerce between the states and certain nationwide laws. State governments have more power than the Federal government.

The Civil War was about state's rights. Now yes, the most important right for the southern states was slavery. No debate there. Slavery was the most important issue for the Confederacy. And the Confederacy was absolutely wrong on slavery. But it wasn't the only issue, and the slavery issue was part of the broader battle for states to have more rights than the federal government. I know it's hard for many to understand nowadays, but wars can be fought for multiple reasons.

Once the Confederacy lost the Civil War, in reality the entire U.S. lost long term. Yes slavery ended, and that is a wonderful thing. But besides that, states were largely stripped of true power and independence following the Civil War. Southern states first of course, as part of reconstruction, but long term all states. States losing their right to govern themselves has also caused most states to lose their distinct culture.

Ironically, the Confederacy fought to stop the same type of overbearing federal government we now have today. Ironically, if the South had won the Civil War, it would actually be better for states like California and New York now. States would still have genuine autonomy and states like California and New York could easily be seceding from Trump and the U.S. right now. So the joke has ended up on them in a way.

In terms of vitriol towards an individual who spurned Ole Miss.

Will the Lane Kiffin game be the most hyped home game in Ole Miss history? I know there have been some other crazy LSU games and some incredible Alabama games, but the level of vitriol and hype for this game has to make it the biggest Ole Miss home game ever right?

I feel like the only other comparison to this game was the build up to the Tennessee game in 1996 with Peyton Manning. Mostly just in terms of said vitriol.

On another note, looking into that 1996 Peyton Manning game, was there a reason why that game was played in Memphis? Ole Miss doesn't play home games in Memphis unless they are playing Memphis, and even those games have dropped off over the last 10 - 15 years. I checked and Ole Miss has not played an SEC team in Memphis since that 1996 Tennessee game.

Was it just because Vaught Hemingway was a glorified high school stadium at the time and the Liberty Bowl had more capacity? Was the vitriol so bad at the time there was concern about the safety of the Mannings?

It always amazed me that, in a game that big, Ole Miss gave up their home field advantage. I know Memphis is really more Ole Miss than Tennessee, but there's still a good amount of Tennessee fans near Memphis, and it allowed Tennessee fans to make it more of a neutral site game.

But will the 2026 Lane Kiffin game surpass that 1996 Peyton Manning game in terms of vitrol and hatred?

Honestly, I feel like season tickets are soon going to become a relic of the past. Between the season ticket price points, out of control concession prices and the general ease of watching the game with a better angle at home, with your own bathroom and own snacks and couch/recliner, the appeal of going to games has gone way down, both for college and NFL.

The appeal to season tickets used to be knowing the people around you. You became almost like family. My dad had Saints season tickets when I was younger, up through 2013. When my dad finally gave them up for health reasons (he had mobility issues and it was just becoming too hard to go every week, he went to some games up until 2018), he had people around us calling to make sure he was okay, as they were concerned there were different people in our seats. It was hard breaking to them we no longer had season tickets.

Even though our season tickets were in the nosebleed terrace level, the people around you were like family.

But nowadays, my guess is easily 50% of season tickets, if not more, are either brokers or Saints "fans" who sell their tickets for part of the season, if not the entire season.

Look at the outrage over the Steelers game being in Paris. Saints fans on here being mad they can't sell their tickets and make it a de facto Steelers home game.

There's no family atmosphere anymore with season tickets. Most likely, the people around you are going to change each game. My mentality now is watch on TV and go to 1 - 2 Saints home games a year and make a nice weekend out of it. Stay in the French Quarter, do some sports gambling at Caesars and splurge on premium lower level seats. To me that's the way more people are going now.

The only benefit to season tickets anymore is having priority for any playoff games. But I feel for ticket offices for teams in general now. The value of season tickets just isn't there anymore.

They are. They kind of took yesterday off to remember Ted Turner. But today, back to cheering for Iran.

It's worse than that though, 40% of the country right now is cheering for Iran, just so they can be on the opposite side of Trump.

If another 9/11 or Pearl Harbor happened, the U.S. might actually be screwed. You wouldn't see a coming together nowadays like you saw after 9/11. I still remember, there was a crazy peacefulness after 9/11. People were trying to get along and crime was next to nothing for several weeks. Yes it went back to normal, but for a solid 3 - 4 weeks the U.S. was truly united.

If another 9/11 or Pearl Harbor happened today, 40% of this country would say the U.S. deserved it and would be rooting for the enemy.

I think this will be one of the unintended consequences of all the gerrymandering, on both sides.

We're pretty much at the point now where, if you're a Republican in the Northeast, West Coast or Illinois, you have no say in your local and state government and you have no representation at the federal level. If you're a Democrat in the South, Texas, most of the Midwest and most of the Mountain West, it's the same. You have little to no say in your local and state government and have no representation at the federal level.

At some point, people are going to despise living somewhere where they aren't represented. I live in Florida and I think it could be bad, as more disenfranchised conservative New Yorkers move here. Same with Texas, with more disenfranchised conservative Californians moving there. On the other end, a lot of Democrats are probably going to end up leaving the South for the Northeast.

But I feel like the gerrymandering is going to cause a more ideology political division between conservatives and liberals. People are literally going to be living in areas where they are in an echo chamber, and never have to hear the other side for even a second. That will lead to dehumanization of the "other side" and I think eventually balkanization of the United States.

Thoughts? Will more people move to places that are in line with their political beliefs? Will this essentially fracture the United States?