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re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 7:58 pm
I will give them a tryout Mon. Thank you.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 1:39 pm
Thank you. This was very helpful.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 11:56 am
This is news to me. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If staying 1-2 RIR what is the consensus for volume per week per muscle?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 10:20 am
I agree about sticking to full ROM. But I do see a benefit do doing extra lengthened partials after you can't complete any more full rom. Especially one movements where the main muscle you are targeting is most active in the lengthened position, yet lockout is where its hardest. Things like side laterals, rows, chins, bench for example. If you could do 4 more half sets of bench at the bottom, since your triceps are tired it seems like you are leaving gains on chest if you don't finish with partials. What do you think on that? I haven't seen any studies talking about this.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 11:48 pm
I will stick to the stretch then. So last set of an exercise go to absolute failure, then stretch? Or is failure not recommended prior to the stretch?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 4:27 pm
I'm going to give it a shot. Do you think lengthened partials before on my last exercise would be worth it? Or its a one or the other type of thing?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 2:52 pm
This makes sense. So back you would count as 1 muscle. not a stretch after a horizontal pull, then a stretch after a vertical pull as well?

re: Cowan needs to be a starter!

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 12:05 pm
I would prefer to host, but I think this team has the guts to win even on the road.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 12:03 pm
So an example would be for side laterals for example. 25lbs for 10 normal reps, 25lbs for 9 normal reps, rest. 25lbs for 8 normal reps until failure. then immediately lengthened partials with the 25lbs, until lengthened partials become more like pulses. drop the DBs, pick up the 20s, do as many partial reps as you can, trying to get as full ROM every rep(or do you try to keep a certain level of form with the partials like going no more than 30% of ROM, until they start to look like pulses, then repeat until you get down to the 5s?

I am going to give them a listen next cardio day. Thanks. Big fan of Musso at the box as well. I see you have very fine taste in podcasts! :cheers:

re: LSU will still land Boobie Feaster

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 12:36 am
This class is shaping up to be a real great one.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 6:45 pm
I'm not familiar with this group. Is it one you would recommend for me to listen?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 4:34 pm
I have heard they are also good for compounds, but its just a lot more difficult to do them. Lengthened partials for rows or chinups or Presses are highly recommended by the RP guys and co like milo wolf. Its just doing that with heavy squats after going to failure is a lot more dangerous.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 4:31 pm
So you just do the final set of a particular muscle group like this? for instance if you were doing 4 set sets of rows, then 4 sets of pullups. You would do the 4th set of rows to failure, then pullups like normal, 4th set to failure for pullups, then extreme stretch at the hang for pullups?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 4:29 pm
I like this idea. Do you rest after each set? Or just drop the weight do more partials til you can't, drop weight again etc.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 12:24 pm
I used to do 21s too. Where always recommended by my football coaches, but the science based guys are saying they aren't good since partials of the top portion don't provide nearly the benefit of the bottom portion. I like to be strong in all the ROM, but I think what your doing with finishing movements with them is the best. You just do them on your last set to failure?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 12:00 pm
This was my opinion to, seems to be good to do when your done with that muscle. Milo wolf has talken about removing full ROM just for lengthened partials, but I would not risk that. Have you done them and have they eaten into your recovery at all?

Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/26/25 at 9:55 pm
With lengthened partials being the new craze on Youtube. What has been your experience with them? I don't think I would ever do just lengthened partials, but I have started doing some after failure on all my last sets of isolation movements. I will keep you all updated on my progress.
Have you checked out your electrolytes with a doctor?

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 3/21/25 at 2:27 pm
LINK

for the LCI strength circuit 1 and the star circuit? are we doing 2-3 sets of 3-5 reps then increasing every week until we get 10x10 just like the other LCI workouts? Or since it is strength based are we only going to work up to 5x5 or 5x8 or 10x5 etc. or something different?

All with the same rest range 15-20 sec after each exercise 90 after each round? Or is that just for the first strength circuit and the 2 Thib inspired ones have different rest ranges?

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so long as you are getting in 250g protein and you are hitting your caloric needs for your specific goals...all the rest doesnt matter


now carb cut offs, skip loads and all of the advance stuff from intensemuscle....please understand that was some of the best bodybuilders and coaches in the world posting on there

like Skip hill, dante, john meadows, dr stevenson, paul carter, and even guys like inhuman were way way advanced. bunch more like dusty and jason wojo

sure that stuff matter at their size and advancement...for normal guy that shite dont matter until you get to like 12% bodyfat. just hit the protein and calories you need for your specific goal


Thanks I will stick to this diet for now, then until I reach 12%. I have gotten below 10% in the past(dexa), but I was also pretty weak and lost a lot of muscle(even though I was strong prior to my cut wasted a lot of my noob gains).

Next time I get to say 12% on my cut, do you recommend I start doing skiploads(Have to google this), separating carbs and fats(all carbs in morning all fats in evening), or is IF better? Also I am 100% natural and will never become enhanced so maybe some of that stuff wont matter regardless.


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for most younger guys or advanced guys I have seen the best results taking the last set to failure. but becomes a point where that is too much and too hard so have to start being smart as the induced fatigue isnt worth the little extra you get from going to failure.


I have been doing it the GS way pretty much since the beginning. fo instance. I would do 2x5 then AMRAP to failure on press , then I would 2x6-8 DB rows to absolute failure so 1st set may be with 100s then second set 80s since I am fried. then I do do 2x8-12 curls both taken to absolute failure so again a pretty big weight drop. Then I would do deads and go to absolute failure. Then I would do this 3x a week alternating the lifts as GSLP specifies. Or another 12 week program but always completely to failure on everything(besides bench and squats)

So I am thinking I am going to give your approach a shot next to see if I can get some more hypertrophy.
Basically I am going to do the normal GSLP, but with RPT set scheme all done to failure. Then I will do a handful of hypertrophy stuff, but done in your fashion leaving some reps in the tank on the first few sets and last set taken to absolute failure. If I am going to do 2 supplemental exercises say Bench RPT, then DB press 3x10-12(none taken to failure and progressed your method) then 3x10-12 side lateral. I would then do the side laterals with first 2 sets taken close to failure but not actual failure, then final set to absolute failure. And play around with taken all 3 sets to absolute failure to see which I prefer. What do you think of that?

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 3/21/25 at 1:55 pm

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i dunno what JPs feelings are on it but its my preferred method


Honestly I have loved your advice so much in this thread I am going to go by what you say over him on these routines. I will do it that method.

Speaking of your advice, I have been doing your 250G protein per day diet and rest carbs and fat.

Is it ok to just mix up the macros daily as long overall calories is fine, like 1 day 80% carbs 20% fat, one day 20% fat 80% carbs one day 50/50 etc. Or is it better to stick to one ratio?

16:8 on lifting days and 18:6 on off days is still your preferred diet method or 6 meals a day evenly spread out is better/just as good?

Carb cutoff at 2PM on a bulk/recomp(if cutting lower it to 12 then breakfast) . Still what you recommend(besides if training in evening)

I know Dantes forum used to have a lot of guys recommend that carb meals should be just carbs and protein and meals with fats should omit carbs. Do you have any opinion on this or do you mix the carbs and fats?

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i prefer not to take them to failure but im older


For younger people do you think its best to just take the amraps to complete failure and higher volume accessories(like your hypertrophy routine) not taken to complete failure, or take all the accessories(like curls, flyes, and pullups) to complete failure as well with less volume? I will play around with all of them, but would like to hear your opinion.