Ice Cold

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Nobody really wants “natural” dialogue in a TV drama, IMO. It wouldn’t be that enjoyable to watch. Part of the trick with good writing & acting is to capture the essence of those interactions in a way that allows the viewer to understand the characters’ motivations and reactions in a way that feels natural without actually being natural.

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It occurred to me that Cobel arrive in broad daylight and they all hung out until night fell. WTF did they talk about the whole time? Share recipes? Reminisce about how Cobel pretended to be a lactation consultant for his sister and her baby?

I thought this episode was great and don't get the downvotes on people who say that. Folks were complaining about the show's pace, and Ep9 was jam-packed with developments and moved several arcs forward.

Here were my immediate thoughts after the episode; I do not vouch for their insight or correctness. I also haven't read a single thing yet about this episode.

1. Jame is a breeder.

2. Did Helena tip off Burt? Some have suggested it was Helly, not Helena, but how would Helly have all the information necessary to impersonate Helena at their family home, contact Burt, etc.

I think Helena tipped off Burt, and Jame's statement to Helly in MDR is because he doesn't know she started severing again after the gala. Remember that Drummond and Natalie did not tell Jame what happened at ORTBO, that she slept with Mark and that Irv forced her innie.

Also, Helly sounds like a regular nickname for Helena, so it would not surprise me that her dad calls her that.

3. Why did Milchick treat Eustace (???) Huang so harshly? Is she an Eagan prodigy like Cobel?

4. Did anyone hear Jame moan (as if experiencing sexual pleasure) when Helena started to cut her egg? And that when she asked if he would join her, he said "I'll watch" as if he were a voyeur?

5. I agree with what someone else said in this thread that Dylan did not leave the building. The scene cut to the testing floor elevator and hallway right after he got into the main elevator. And it took a while for that elevator to arrive; why would they have delayed his departure like that?

6 . I still don't know how the severance tech works. Is it geo-located like GPS? Is it a physical barrier? A combination? How did Devon know the cabin would work on Mark?

7. I thought reintegration mitigated or eliminated the innie/outie distinction, but Mark was full innie after entering the cabin. If he climbed out a window, would he still be his innie?

8. Yes, the Dylan arc is heartbreaking. So sad that his innie thought his outie would be happy for his innie to get some.

9. You could see the flip switch with Milchick. And he was absolutely, positively, 100% right that he's only responsible for what happens on the floor. fricking fantastic scene.

10. Has anyone gone back to see what the Artetas' kids look like? I wonder if they are Jame's children.

11. Did Mark ever go into the birthing cabin when Devon had her baby? The midwife opened the door to leave and they talked outside, but I don't remember him going in.

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The egg bar is coveted as frick.

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Cut into four pieces, it is. :alien:

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So Harmony is Lumon and they cheated her out of it.

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Hence her statement to Helena, "You fear me." Helena seemingly brushed that off.

We don't know who was driving up to the aunt's house as she drove away. That will tell us how important was her trip to Salt's Neck.

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She comes out with her teeth hurting.

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Can you imagine living every moment of your existence in a dentist's office? Writing thank you notes? Feeling like your plane is falling out of the sky? Or even working in a drab, windowless office with psychopathic managers? That's literally ALL YOU EXPERIENCE???

Helena calls innies "animals," which implies they have no consciousness, no self-awareness, no philosophy of mind. We don't talk enough about how unspeakably cruel that is.

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Dieter isn’t a twin. Dieter is Kier’s innie. Dieter got high on either and jerked off. Kier was disgusted and wanted to purge himself of that part of himself.

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Which makes Helena shagging a man in a tent in that same forest -- a man who appears to be Lumon's most important innie of all time (Cold Harbor being the greatest moment in the company's history) -- a big EFF EWE to Jame and her ancestors.

Call me crazy, but I don't think Helena has mastered the four humors yet.

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jevins_slickin

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Im like 80% sure on this.

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:bow: :bow: :bow:

That might be one of the best episodes of television I’ve ever watched. At turns joyful, terrifying, confounding, creepy, layered, devastating - absolutely brilliant. And yes, Lumon officially does what it wants wherever it wants whenever it wants to whomever it wants.

ETA: And Mark might finally be ready to frick up some Eagan shite. Helena don’t even know.

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On one hand, I love Lithgow but on the other hand i think they should have gone with someone a bit younger.

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I did not care for him as Churchill in The Crown. To my ear, his English accent is poor, and for the life of me, I couldn't understand why they cast him in that role.

But props to him in general for continuing to grind when he's 80.

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Here is a very intelligent and crazy weird show, this is the 3-gay dinner scene - enjoy!

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Which Burt ends with an explicit invitation to Irv that they get together without Fields. Wild, wild stuff...