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Upon further reflection of you don't fear a nuclear escalation then let's arm the crooks in the Ukraine and send our own bodies in.

If you fear no nuclear reprisals then let's obliterate them.

We're not doing this because if the Biden administration has done one right thing in 2 years it has been to at least not to send the Big Red One into St. Petersburg
You're probably correct. Strategically. But Soviet military doctrine was to use tactical nukes to knock out a path through the Fulda gap.

I am not suggesting we cave in due to Putin's or Lavrov's threats. But they can't be ignored completely. Let's not have to impose article 5.

To deter legit Russian threats however would mean pushing out ACBM fleet into Europe and put everyone else on high gear. The stakes are too high to flinch.

I want to end this madness though. Generally in western history in a stalemate that has been achievable. Not so sure right now.

But no im not suggesting our actions be dictated by threats of nuclear reprisal. On the other hand further escalation on our part must be considered against the risk of a desperate Russian tactical response.

But in Ukraine where are we today? Unfortunately we are all in. If we avoid nuclear conflict against a foe whose one strength over ours are there nukes, then I suppose our leaders have put us in a lose lose situation.

Personally I'd settle for status quo antebellum. The Crimea is lost. It's too easy to defend at its crossings. Think of the neck in GOT separating the north from the south.

Surrender both Donetsk and luhansk to UN peacekeepers. With autonomy eventually given to the region.

Putin won't concede but until our country,yes the USA, starts negotiations then this war will drag in for years.

The whole point of beginning this thread was to suggest that all cold war presidents knew how to negotiate. Today? From 2004 to the present, if not back to 1993, we've lacked diplomacy and have resorted to armed force which uas alienated more than half the planet against us
750,000 deaths over letting the south go an slavery (according to most historians) last at most another 20 years.....that's like 15 million in a current Civil War.

He was both the most most brilliant and evil person in our history and it's hard to come to grips with it still today. Lincoln easily was able to eloquently advocate for mutual slaughter on levels seen exceeded only in the East during Barbarossa.

Just let them go. In 20 to 30 years slavery ends on its own (as it did everywhere else at that time) and we might have 50+ million more good people today
I'm aware of Hitchens' denefrestration of Kissenger. Problem is with the guy is half the time he is right.

He descalated tension with the Soviets and as a realist explains why our currently policies with Putin are bound to fail.

Even a war criminal is right occasionally.
Like you I think the risk of a nuclear escalation to be a high risk rn. I do not control American foreign policy and the only possibility of change is minute. If the GOP retakes the House as appears likely, what would change? Nothing, those 50 or so principled house members might increase to 75 or even 100. So what?

Biden and the neolib/neolib group control 2/3 of our likely 2022 electorate.

The war is on. With that in mind, how may we end this as soon as possible?

Suggesting peace is the way is naive. It's started. I don't like it any as much as you do and think the argument for fighting the Russians by proxy to wither away at their power is farcical.

Yet as a realist that's where we are. I agree with you. Taiwan is far more important but we don't control things. Given the reality of the situation and state of affairs how would you proceed?

I'm on your side. But the die has been cast. How can we stop it from rumbling further off the table?
Let me ask you this. If Kissenger is the our greatest war criminal, where does Lincoln rank?
I enjoy 90% of what you say as a libertarian. But Kissenger isn't half the war criminal you suggest. He's a realist and he's on your side right now. It may be by chance, it probably is, but I think you are missing my point.

During the Cold War we negotiated, openly or not through back channels. I don't think the current administration is trying. That concerns me.

And if Kissenger happens to gave placed his shot within yours at the 18th it doesn't mean the "war criminal" is wrong
Kissenger is far more nuanced than you know. He's a Messenmaier (sp?) realist. His behind the scenes may have saved us from wwiii over the Yom Kippur war.

Kissenger isn't the issue rn, except that he currently supports much of your view of the russo-ukrainian war.
I hope they do well too but they are hardly the aggrieved party. I would have expected the US to invade Mexico had similar issues been present. And we have done so with Canada and Mexico several times each.

If Russia influenced Canada or Mexico half as we do with the Ukraine we'd be back in veracruz.

If we pull off that stunt again. With today's military 2/3 of our planes don't function correctly and can't fly missions today.
Thank God Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy and Nixon actually exuedead statesmanship when confronted with Soviet internal struggles.

Carter (belive it or not) and especially Reagan took as far to the soviets as could be done. We did nothing except for the Berlin air lift and lend emotional support to the Hungarians, Czechs and Poles. For that matter e. Germany. We did nothing because it wasn't in our interests to fight a the time.

I've checked a couple of the long term models. August and September appear perhaps....perhaps to return to normal. Meaning mid 90s instead of low to mid 100s. For those of us up here in NW LA at least. My grandfather, who was a pilot in WWII and an avid weather watcher always said expect the first noticeable cooldown around the 3rd week of September. That still stands usually from my observation. This summer sucks, started in May. But 2011 and 2000, just to tick off the top my head were worse. 2011 for the entire state of Texas and adjacent areas of western Louisiana, southern Oklahoma and Eastern New Mexico was a 30 to 50 year drought event. I can't recall offhand but I think Sheeveport had 50 to 60 days over 100. Probably lost 10 to 20% of trees.
No he's not. First he won't run 2024. Not a chance. Second, whoever does get the nomination automatic gets 48% of the vote.

Farage almost singlehandedly grew the movement to get the UK out of the EU. And he did so with elegant speech and brute force.

Farage was what I had hoped Trump could have been.

He's one of the good guys and I guess I'll pull for Truss. Labour isn't Tony Blair's neocon Bill Clinton party. It's to the left of most mainstream euro center left parties now. Somehow the conservatives have to hold on
Thank. I've been so worried about other things I haven't had a chance to follow British politics recently. I grew up watching prime Minister's questions each Sunday night on Cspan. I have watched each general election since 1991 or whenever major's first was plus the euro referendum live.

It's good to know Nigel has a least worst.
No one would want to see the Iron Lady in her leggings but she was every bit if not important to the UK as Reagan was to the US.

She was a cold warrior and she did what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers x 20.

Outside of Churchill from 1940 to 1945, aside from a possible case for David Lloyd George, her unsurpassed 12 year period as PM from 79 to 91 was a life saver for the UK. Her weakness was being too reticent to take on the EU but had she loved to see it she would have taken the UK out before boris Johnson left his party while mayor of London.

Charles DeGaulle, Kohl, Franco are her only post wwii European peers in terms of influence.

Too bad we'll get pansy now

No they aren't. Indians and Pakistanis were but not the latest generation by and large. Just because the British touched over half the world doesn't mean automatic immigration rights
Of course they can't legally take our water. And this is likely hullabaloo but outside of shutting down agriculture and mass emigration, or grabbing water from the pacific northwest they are screwed.

Of course 2 years of major snow pack and rains like we saw a few years back will solve the problems for most of the state. But not the southern part.

Much of me wants to extort those mofos.

It's a moot point. This is a project that could take a decade. Mother nature will likely send them a few years of El Nino mudslides and they'll be ok for a bit longer.
To be anyone or anything unless a Treen geek or some delegate to the national convention, until Roemer's era and really 1994, you were a Southern Democrat. Louisiana has undergone little major change in a generation. More blacks signed up, more whites counter by voting Rep despite registration. If there is a state where Dem Rep registration means so little it is here.

To me right now the swing point or two may be Jefferson parish. Bossier cancels Caddo. Baton Rouge counters EBR. We are a solid red national state. JBE proves we are not invincible however. But our dynamics aren't changing much. I don't see another Dem senator for many a cycle. Breaux and Bennett Johnston are relics of a centrist past that no longer exist. Mary Landrieu and her clan are little better than capable of 45%. We are still vulnerable to RINO's though