Dinky Mulberry

I must admit after watching him for many years, this is the last thing I EVER expected to see out of him.

This is NOT good !!... You can try and blame it on frustration with the refs, but to be honest, I firmly believe it goes MUCH deeper than that.

Herb's overall effort level...even though it is still the highest on the team...has been on a bit of a decline...for quite a while now. He probably doesn't even realize it is happening...although it should be fairly obvious to any astute observer.

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Herb is nowhere near as bad offensively...as many people think. I could explain why this is true...but it would take too long...and is fairly complicated. When Herb is eventually traded...he will suddenly become a much better offensive player and will probably be an even better defensive player than he is with the Pelicans. Other contending teams all realize this...which is why so many of them are interested in obtaining the guy. I hate to say it...but the Lakers would be the perfect fit for both Herb...and the Lakers. Just not sure they have the "ammo" to make that trade happen.


Yeah, herb with more spacing is not bad at all on offense. I agree, he would be so good on the Lakers. Luka would feed him so many good looks. I like the rookie they drafted from Baylor, if you count him as a 1st and they gave us a bunch of 2nds and no bad salary I would consider it for Herb. That would be a move you made at the deadline though if we were out of reach for the playoffs

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I'm guessing Luka and even Reaves would go out of their way to get Herb some wide open looks so he would fit in...and even more importantly...school Herb on how to finish at the hoop where he needs to learn how to "slow down"...like they can do SO well. Finishing at the hoop is a major weakness in Herb's game.

Then, maybe Herb could school both of them on how to play a bit of defense. And, with Kessler protecting the rim and Herb handling...well...EVERYWHERE else on the court...Lakers should have a formidable defense...for a change.

Now...figure a way to get the Pels 2 decent 1st round picks for Herb from the Lakers...and it's a win/win...for all concerned.

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Herb is nowhere near as bad offensively...as many people think.


He's pretty bad. He used to be better pre-injury but now a complete black hole. Teams are happy to let him shoot wide open shots. In fact they actively scheme for it. Do you trust him with any shot on the court?

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Guess we'll see who is right...when Herb is eventually traded....and btw...if you want to see a player who the opponent actually DOES leave open to take a 3....watch the Hawks and Dyson Daniels.

I still haven't given up on Dyson...but have mercy...that guy MUST improve his outside shooting. (And FT shooting for that matter)

Herb is nowhere near as bad offensively...as many people think. I could explain why this is true...but it would take too long...and is fairly complicated.

When Herb is eventually traded...he will suddenly become a much better offensive player and will probably be an even better defensive player than he is with the Pelicans. Other contending teams all realize this...which is why so many of them are interested in obtaining the guy.

I hate to say it...but the Lakers would be the perfect fit for both Herb...and the Lakers. Just not sure they have the "ammo" to make that trade happen.

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For Herb, I'd start with their 1st round swap with the Clippers...

Completely pointless with the current Bucks swap. You'd have to get the Spurs pick (protected 1-16) and the swap.

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OK...maybe I'm confused...but I was thinking the Thunder could just "give" us their rights to the Clippers 1st round pick...in any trade for Herb...and it wouldn't have anything to do with the Bucks "situation"...

Not sure Thunder are interested in Trey...too expensive and not a great "fit",,, so...

For Herb, I'd start with their 1st round swap with the Clippers...after that...we could fiddle around for the smaller stuff to match Herb's $14.9M...this is actually doable,,,if the Thunder are as high on Herb as I hope they are.

Thunder MUST stay under the 2nd apron...which should be fairly easy to do.

To make it sweeter, they could throw in another pick...I assume in the 2nd round.

Key is...just how much value they place on Herb. I think he would be a great "fit" given their situation...but then...Presti hasn't called me to get my opinion....YET !!

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Now might be a good time to have some talks with Sam Presti about Trey or maybe Herb.

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Herb probably a better "fit" for Thunder....than Trey...and Thunder have a load of 1st & 2nd round picks in the near future. Hope something can be worked out...

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I have no problem with dealing Herb for the right price, but there is no reason to get rid of your best defender on the cheap. Just keep him and bring him off the bench

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I'm just not sure the current "Herb" is worth $67.5M for the next 3 years (after this season)...MAYBE...for some other team...but definitely NOT...for a team like the Pelicans. Course'...I could be wrong.

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Kon Kneuppel (who I like a lot) has a sophomore slump

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Expect the Hornets to take a huge step up this season...and agree that Herb will be gone by the trade deadline.

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which means a bunch of easy wins will no longer be available for a team like the Pelicans.

So, whatever prediction you have for Pelicans over/under next season...if you haven't considered that variable...I probably would...if I were you

So whatever prediction you have for every single team in the NBA needs to be adjusted and seeding doesn't change at all.

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Apparently, I did a poor job of explaining my "point". I'll try this way...last season, the Pels went 11-7 vs the 5 worst teams in the NBA who were basically trying to lose as often as they could. Their combined W/L record was 100-310. As noted, the Pels were 11-7 vs these teams...and 15-49 vs all the other teams in the NBA...who were NOT trying to lose like the bottom 5 teams were.

I thought the subject of this thread was to discuss the over/under on the amount of "wins" the Pelicans would have this year...NOT "seeding". With basically no teams wanting to end up in the bottom 3...that 11-7 record vs the "total tankers" will vanish. So, getting 26 wins next season will be harder to get...than they were this past season...given the disappearance of the "total tankers"...and when analyzed with the 3-2-1 "variable" included.

Herb...???