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Imaging belonging to Christ’s Church He founded?
-Apostolic Succession
-The Eucharist
-Authority / Councils
-Early Church Fathers

Imagine being so philosophically, theologically and biblically illiterate that you believe any denomination outside of the Orthodox or Catholic Church.

You’re throwing a lot out there, but most of it still comes down to the same issue… reading modern assumptions into ancient texts and then acting like that’s what the Bible says.

First, on the “you think you interpret it right and everyone else is wrong” point. That’s actually what you’re doing. The difference is Catholics don’t rely on private interpretation. We rely on Scripture as understood within the Church that produced, preserved, and canonized it. That’s not arrogance, that’s consistency.

Second, the “firmament / flat earth” argument is a category mistake. The Bible uses phenomenological language, describing things as they appear, not giving a modern scientific treatise. You’re taking poetic and observational language and forcing a literalist reading where it was never intended.

Third, on Numbers 5. You’re still asserting something the text never explicitly says. The passage describes a curse resulting from guilt, not a priest performing an abortion. Even your argument admits the outcome is conditional and tied to divine judgment, not a human-controlled procedure. Calling it a “magic abortion potion” is more rhetoric than exegesis.

Fourth, on the Canaanite issue. You keep trying to force a false dilemma: either God is evil or you endorse human violence. That’s not the claim. The claim is that God, as the author of life, has authority over life and death that humans do not. You may not like that distinction, but dismissing it isn’t refuting it.

Fifth, on “God never changes.” Correct. But revelation unfolds. The same God who judged nations in the Old Testament is the one who reveals the fullness of moral teaching in Christ. That’s not contradiction, that’s development. Christianity has always read the Old Testament through the lens of Christ.

Finally, the irony here is strong. You accuse Catholics of picking and choosing while rejecting the authority of the Church, questioning apostolic authorship when it suits you, and redefining passages to fit your framework. That’s not avoiding selection… that is selection.

So no, this isn’t about making excuses. It’s about actually understanding what the text is, how it was written, and how it has been understood historically… instead of forcing it into a modern reading and calling that “plain.”

Ok Prot

It’s crazy how many people think this just based on what they were taught in elementary school. Sure, some of the crusades were absurd, like the fourth… But overall, they were just and defensive.

Correct. Orthodox and Catholics do a proper exegesis. Others pick and chose.

This is a very common mistake athiests and Protestants alike will make. They pick and chose verses, ignoring context and believing that if it’s in the Bible, God condones it.

You’re reading that passage as if it’s a command, when it’s actually a lament.

Psalm 137 is written in the context of Israel’s exile in Babylon after horrific violence was done to them. It’s expressing human anguish and a desire for justice… not prescribing moral behavior for believers.

The Psalms contain poetry, emotion, and cries of the heart. Not every line is a moral instruction. If you read it as “God endorses this,” you’re misunderstanding the genre and context.

Also, Christianity doesn’t interpret isolated verses in a vacuum. Christ is the full revelation of God, and He explicitly teaches love of enemy, mercy, and restraint from violence.

So no, that passage is not a justification for harming innocents. It’s a reflection of human pain crying out to God in a broken world.

If it’s the Church that Christ started with apostolic succession, the Eucharist and the fullness of truth then yes… yes you do.

You root out the evil and do everything you can to crush it while preserving and building what Christ gave us. His Ecclesia where not even the gates of Hades would prevail.

My brother and I complain about this constantly. While I get the Pope’s messaging, we are sometimes way to nice and passive. You have to know when to punch people in the mouth.

You are correct, the Pope isn’t God. Who told you he was?

Also, correct… The Bible says not to worship idols. You’re on a roll here.
Idolatry in the Bible is about misdirected worship. Anything can become an idol… money, power, status, even people. If it takes the place of God in your life.

You haven’t pointed out a single tenant we have violated yet so I’m not sure where you want this conversation to go.